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"Marxist ideology is wrong. But in my life I have known many Marxists who are
good people, so I don't feel offended."


-- Pope Francis, responding to conservatives who say he's a Marxist.


says the head of the biggest world wide cult....WTF!


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Being blinded by money isn't just a rich thing which he makes it out to be, many rich people
donate time and money to help the less fortunate but for some reason people don't want to
hear that.


Yes they do and a very few even do it anonymously...
The wealthy pay their tax scammer attorney a fortune to steal their taxes away from those in
need.

A good tax attorney will find you an appraiser to double the appraised value of your 'rare art' piece
that you donate to the local museum.
Everyone makes out except for the taxpayer... he gets screwed.





The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Pope Shakes Up Vatican Panel, Drops Activist Bishop Burke

Pope Francis is guiding the Council of Bishops away from past culture wars.

National Catholic Reporter
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/wuerl-named-bishops-panel-burke-not-confirmed


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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Moses is the union boss
Jesus is Human Resources

screw the Pope...he's just another politician


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Being blinded by money isn't just a rich thing which he makes it out to be, many rich people
donate time and money to help the less fortunate but for some reason people don't want to
hear that.


THe Rich can donate what ever they please, (usually for a huge tax break).  I just wish
that they'd PAY THEIR TAXES!

When ever the national debt is mentioned, no one blames the one group not paying 'their fair
share', the super wealthy!
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The wealthiest Americans have avoided paying about $100 billion in taxes through a loophole
that essentially makes estate taxes voluntary, according to the attorney who devised the
legal maneuver.

Under current law, the wealthy must pay taxes on estates valued at more than $5.25 million
for an individual or $10.5 million for couples, with the top rate capped at 40 percent.

But many billionaires get around these taxes by shuffling their company’s stock in and out of
trusts, which allows them to give away millions of dollars to their heirs while avoiding taxes
on gifts valued at more than $14,000.

For example, the casino magnate Sheldon Adelson has given at least $7.9 billion to his heirs
and avoided about $2.8 billion in gift taxes since 2010, according to filings with the U.S.
Securities and Exchange Commission.

Hundreds of executives have used the same strategy, and Richard Covey, the attorney who
pioneered the technique, said it has cost the federal government about one third of all estate
and gift taxes collected since 2000.

According to the Tax Policy Center, only about 3,780 households — about 0.14 percent of all
estates — will owe any estate taxes this year, averaging about $3.8 million on estates worth
$22.7 million, which is an effective rate of 16.6 percent.


Closing this loophole for the Super Rich could reduce the debt by over $100 billion dollars!
If anyone is interested in a quick easy fix to the debt problem... this would seem to be a
no brainer!


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When ever the national debt is mentioned, no one blames the one group not paying 'their fair
share', the super wealthy!


I guess the same can be said for the person that buys a Mercades and goes $100k in debt to buy it, then loses their job.  Blame the employer, not the person buying the item on credit.  The national debt is worse, because the politicians  run up the debt knowing people aren't paying their "fair share", then punishing 300 million people by strapping them and their children with the debt.

What's the Pope's take on Solyndra getting $500 million then going bankrupt?  How about the bank and GM bailout?  I'm sure that's very Christ-like.  Or what does he think about the richest counties in America being the DC suburbs?  


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I guess the same can be said for the person that buys a Mercades and goes $100k in debt to buy it, then loses their job.  Blame the employer, not the person buying the item on credit.  The national debt is worse, because the politicians  run up the debt knowing people aren't paying their "fair share", then punishing 300 million people by strapping them and their children with the debt.
  

The Rich, who can afford to pay their fair share, but instead cheat the taxpayer, who is paying
their fair share, end up forcing that $100,000,000,000.00 on the rest of our tax bill.

Any tax cut for one group (the Rich, the elderly, Veterans, the disabled, etc.) with out a
like spending cut, will be a tax increase for everyone not in that group!

A tax cut for the Rich without like spending cuts, is a tax increase for everyone who isn't Rich.


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Republicans (and some on this board) claim that caring for poor is best left to the churches
and to ‘Christian charity,’ not the government.
They also claim that debt is a sin. Given these claims, it might just blow your mind to learn
that according to Church Finance Today, “68% of churches in the West-South Central U.S.,
and 64% of churches in the East-South Central U.S. have expenses exceeding income.”
What’s worse, according to the same source, “these are the best regions in the country.”

Republicans want us to believe that Christian charity is sufficient for taking care of the poor.
Yet it’s obvious from these figures that Christians aren’t even able to handle taking care of
their own churches.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Republicans (and some on this board) claim that caring for poor is best left to the churches
and to ‘Christian charity,’ not the government.
They also claim that debt is a sin. Given these claims, it might just blow your mind to learn
that according to Church Finance Today, “68% of churches in the West-South Central U.S.,
and 64% of churches in the East-South Central U.S. have expenses exceeding income.”
What’s worse, according to the same source, “these are the best regions in the country.”

Republicans want us to believe that Christian charity is sufficient for taking care of the poor.
Yet it’s obvious from these figures that Christians aren’t even able to handle taking care of
their own churches.


Yes, mind blowing!  Many churches which are entirely dependent on voluntary donations run a negative balance sheet.  And a government taxing by force and collecting with armed agents and jailing those who don't pay, run up a $17 trillion debt.

Imagine how much better church finances would be if the clergy could hold a gun to their parishioners heads when they send the collection basket around.


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Yes, mind blowing!  Many churches which are entirely dependent on voluntary donations run a negative balance sheet.  And a government taxing by force and collecting with armed agents and jailing those who don't pay, run up a $17 trillion debt.

Imagine how much better church finances would be if the clergy could hold a gun to their parishioners heads when they send the collection basket around.


LMAO!  Cissy...
It's called 'convoluted logic.  You embrace it like a brother!


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LMAO!  Cissy...
It's called 'convoluted logic.  You embrace it like a brother!


LMAO! Box...
Your post is called a ridiculous non sequitur.  Comparing church operating debt to government operating debt and relating it to helping the poor.


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the rich know that the government will just keep printing more $$$......

so who's fair share? the problem isn't about WHERE the $$ goes, because it should get to our pockets just as much as 'the rich'

why won't it? because of the cast system in place with virtual regulated value.......and why does that exist? because of

the central bank and the fed policies.....THEY DON'T CARE WHO IS RICH!!!! they have to keep workers as grunts so that the

system still works.....

and the church does a grand job of 'what would jesus do' 'turn the other cheek' 'think of all your blessings' 'be thankful'
'help the poor because your rich' etc etc etc........


like I said

Moses is the union boss who destroyed the golden calf and had everyone eat it
Jesus is the human resource dept who said you are responsible for yourself


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Republicans (and some on this board) claim that caring for poor is best left to the churches
and to ‘Christian charity,’ not the government.
Republicans want us to believe that Christian charity is sufficient for taking care of the poor.
Yet it’s obvious from these figures that Christians aren’t even able to handle taking care of
their own churches.


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LMAO! Box...
Your post is called a ridiculous non sequitur.  Comparing church operating debt to government operating
debt and relating it to helping the poor.


Cicero's Latest Straw Man:
"Comparing church operating debt to government operating debt"





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Cicero's Latest Straw Man:
"Comparing church operating debt to government operating debt"



Another of Box's gigantic non sequitur...(oh, and he left out the statement highlighted in bold)
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Republicans (and some on this board) claim that caring for poor is best left to the churches
and to ‘Christian charity,’ not the government.
They also claim that debt is a sin. Given these claims, it might just blow your mind...

Republicans want us to believe that Christian charity is sufficient for taking care of the poor.
Yet it’s obvious from these figures that Christians aren’t even able to handle taking care of
their own churches.


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