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5 dumb arguments against striking Syria
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1. "Let Allah sort it out." - Sarah Palin
Setting aside for a moment the bizarre and offensive racial condescension and sense of the other built into this statement... perhaps Palin doesn't realize that Christians make up 10 percent of the Syrian population? They have largely been neutral in the civil war, but have been caught in the crossfire. One of the reasons why a negotiated power-sharing agreement is critical to achieve is so the many religious communities in Syria all will have representation in their government and protection against persecution.
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2. "Your goal is not winning" - Sen. Rand Paul
Paul said this in response to Secretary of State's John Kerry emphasis that the plan is for a "limited" strike. It's fair game to question military tactics and strategy, but Paul is employing disingenuous logic.
If he is concerned that a limited strike falls short of "winning," the sincere and constructive response would be to define what he means by "winning" and propose a resolution that would back an open-ended military operation to achieve that goal.
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3. "It sounds to me like saving face because he has made a promise" - Sen. Paul
"We have to bomb Syria because we're in seventh grade. And the red line that they crossed is actually a dick-measuring ribbon." - Jon Stewart
The broader context of these arguments is the claim that President Obama cavalierly drew a "red line" a year ago, implicitly threatening military action if chemical weapons were used. Because of his sloppy rhetoric, he now feels he has no choice but to condemn us to quagmire.
But Obama made no "promise" of U.S.-led military action if chemical weapons were used. Yes, it was strongly suggested. But his rhetoric allowed for much wiggle room.
The exact words were: "A red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation… We have put together a range of contingency plans."
That was not a promise for a specific course of action. There are other ways he could have "changed his calculus" if he thought that U.S.-led military action wouldn't work, such as increased arming of the opposition or pursuing U.N.-led action as he did with Libya. He also could have walked back his initial comments last year and claimed they were misinterpreted if he thought that he made an error.
It's nonsensical that Obama would deliberately take a course of action he thought was detrimental, to others and himself, solely because of one comment that was open to interpretation. People should just accept that Obama said what he meant, and debate him on the merits of his proposed action.
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4. "Our current president accuses Assad of using chemical weapons against a fraction of the civilians provably murdered with poison gas by Saddam Hussein. So why did Obama angrily denounce the military operation that removed Hussein?" — Ann Coulter
"Now, back in the early 80s, we knew Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran and were likely to use them again. Not only did we not attack them we supported Iraq … remind us again why we have to do this?" — Jon Stewart
Coulter and Stewart both try to compare Syria today to Iraq of the 1980s. They come from opposite angles yet settle in the same place: Obama is a hypocrite.
Because of Iraq's use of chemical weapons before Obama's 30th birthday? Please.
Ms. Coulter: The decision to go to war with Iraq in 2002, and in turn Obama's position on the war, had nothing to do with Iraq's use of chemical weapons more than 20 years prior. The person in charge who ignored Hussein's chemical weapons use was Ronald Reagan, not Barack Obama.
Mr. Stewart: The fact that America under Reagan supported Iraq's use of chemical weapons says absolutely nothing about whether America under President Obama should try to stop Syria from using chemical weapons today.
Past inaction is not an argument for present inaction. "Never again" beats "Well, we didn't last time."
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5. "Why was there no call for military response in April? Was it delayed to divert attention today from the Benghazi, IRS, NSA scandals; the failure of ObamaCare enforcement; the tragedy of the White House-drafted sequestration or the upcoming debt limit vote?" — Rep. Joe Wilson
This conspiracy theory is particularly moronic because if President Obama was really that conniving, he could have easily declared in June — when the IRS and NSA "scandals" were at peak media frenzy — that we had sufficient evidence and launched a military strike without consulting Congress at all.
But the silly season of scandal is already behind Obama. If anyone should be worried about the debt limit vote, it's Speaker John Boehner, who fears a breach will lead to the loss of the House next year. Politically, Obama is actually throwing the Republicans a lifeline.
Beyond Wilson's specific charge, the whole notion of launching military strikes to "distract" from domestic political troubles — a perennial conspiracy — is always laughable for a simple reason: Wars don't always go well, and presidents know it. Vietnam ran Lyndon Johnson out of town. Korea sunk Harry Truman. Iraq nearly upended George W. Bush's re-election.
You don't "distract" from problems by taking on a massive set of new, far more difficult problems with an uncertain outcome.
The Week http://theweek.com/article/index/249207/5-dumb-arguments-against-striking-syria |
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We know Cissy won't but what makes you think I haven't voiced my opinion to the Government...never assume!!!!
You're right, I'll watch as the Federal Government engages in another offensive military conflict against the will of the people, then watch people like you and box praise our great representative democracy and blame its disfunction on me for not participating in the fraud. And that was one of the most accurate statements you've ever made, you are merely "voicing your opinion" to the government. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. |
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You're right, I'll watch as the Federal Government engages in another offensive military conflict against the will of the people, then watch people like you and box praise our great representative democracy and blame its disfunction on me for not participating in the fraud.
And that was one of the most accurate statements you've ever made, you are merely "voicing your opinion" to the government. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one.
As you sit by and do nothing but b**ch moan groan and complain....you do nothing to even try to improve this country, this Government, this life except sit back and watch and let others try to do it for you! You must enjoy wallowing in your misery! We need more people like you so that nothing every improves or gets done.... they just sit there and enjoy their entitlements, but complain!!!! WALLOW AWAY in CISSYBOY's WORLD !!!! |
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As to who is supporting what in this issue... As I posted back on reply #138:
I support an 'effective' attack that would limit the use of chemical weapons in the area, by either side. (And) Again. I'm against helping either side in this conflict. I'm for an action that would limit the use of Chemical weapons. |
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J.O. Boxer did all he could to place a tyrant into office- He campaigned and voted for B.O. Hussein the radical communist tyrant and the rest of his leftist slate...
Prove it clown boy! |
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Putin warns Russia could come to Syria's aid over US strikePublished September 05, 2013 As he touched down in St. Petersburg on Thursday morning, President Obama greeted his host Vladimir Putin with a handshake and a smile. But the cordial greeting belies the tinderbox the two leaders are sitting on, as they posture and deliberate over a potential U.S. strike on Syria -- one of Russia's closest Mideast allies. Putin escalated concerns about the fallout from any strike when he indicated in an interview published Wednesday that his country could send Syria and its neighbors in the region the components of a missile shield if the U.S. attacks. U.S. Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified this week that the Russians might even replace any military assets the U.S. destroys in a strike. The warnings raise the possibility of a supposedly "limited" strike on Syria turning into a proxy tit-for-tat between Russia and the U.S. Rep. George Holding, R-N.C., went further during a hearing on Syria on Wednesday, pressing military officials on what the U.S. would do "if Russia decided to strike at us in that theater." "We can certainly say that Russia would have options to strike us in that theater in retaliation for us striking their ally," he warned. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....ummit/#ixzz2e85ejYq4 |
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As to who is supporting what in this issue... As I posted back on reply #138:
I support an 'effective' attack that would limit the use of chemical weapons in the area, by either side. (And) Again. I'm against helping either side in this conflict. I'm for an action that would limit the use of Chemical weapons.
Yes Boxy, we already know that you support all out war if Obama deems this to be an 'effective' attack that would limit the use of chemical weapons. |
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As you sit by and do nothing but b**ch moan groan and complain....you do nothing to even try to improve this country, this Government, this life except sit back and watch and let others try to do it for you! You must enjoy wallowing in your misery! We need more people like you so that nothing every improves or gets done.... they just sit there and enjoy their entitlements, but complain!!!! WALLOW AWAY in CISSYBOY's WORLD !!!!
Participating in the election process isn't the solution to a the problems, that is the problem. The government is not only a busy body around the world but in every Americans life. Participating in it gives them the consent to continue to tell everybody at home and abroad how the MUST live. I don't want the entitlements, the only entitlements I get I'm FORCED to pay for, because a simple majority says I have to. And that's not even true, it's a small minority of lobbyist that have the greatest influence on policy for the benefit their clients. |
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Participating in the election process isn't the solution to a the problems, that is the problem. The government is not only a busy body around the world but in every Americans life. Participating in it gives them the consent to continue to tell everybody at home and abroad how the MUST live.
I don't want the entitlements, the only entitlements I get I'm FORCED to pay for, because a simple majority says I have to. And that's not even true, it's a small minority of lobbyist that have the greatest influence on policy for the benefit their clients.
So I repeat....you just sit by and do nothing but b**ch moan groan and complain....you do nothing! |
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So I repeat....you just sit by and do nothing but b**ch moan groan and complain....you do nothing!
I only "do nothing" if you only consider voting the only way of 'doing something'. I don't believe that. |
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I only "do nothing" if you only consider voting the only way of 'doing something'. I don't believe that.
Oh so now you know everything and the only thing I ever do is VOTE... Bait me all you want, I do so much more than you could ever imagine and 100% more than you will ever do! Sit back and enjoy your entitlements that you are forced to take. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA! |
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The Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act (SALSRA)
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is a bill of the United States Congress passed into law on December 12, 2003.
The bill's stated purpose is to end what the United States sees as Syrian support for terrorism, to end Syria's presence in Lebanon, which has been in effect since the end of the Lebanese Civil War in 1990, to stop Syria's alleged development of WMDs, to cease Syria's illegal importation of Iraqi oil and to end illegal shipments of military items to anti-US forces in Iraq.
The US Congress passed the bill then... now it's time live by your agreements. (Another RED LINE, passed by the US Congress) |
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Sit back and enjoy your entitlements that you are forced to take.
Forced to pay for. |
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Bait me all you want, I do so much more than you could ever imagine and 100% more than you will ever do!
Good for you! Community organizer? |
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