Why do you have to pay for a permit? What purpose does the $50 and $100 permit serve? Even if I agree to town regulations regulating how I use my private property(which I don't), why do I have to pay a fee to get permission to use my private property? I pay taxes to the idiots that make the law, I pay the idiots that enforce the law, and now I have to pay the idiots to get permission? It's a racket.
At $50 per permit for an inflatable above ground site plan, assuming that it takes 1 hour to review and approve the plan, that would mean that person is making over $100k a year to approve swimming pools on private property. How long does it take to review and approve a swimming pool site plan?
Well, I'd say while it might now take so much time to review (but guessing they'd have to check property ownership records against the person requesting the permit, probably (yes, thing of this) when the applicant makes reference to having acceptable fencing then the town probably checks it's records to find out if there was ever a permit taken out to put up a fence (that exists there now).
But then there is the staff time for a building inspector to come out to the house to do an electrical inspection for the filter. And to "come out to the house" means the cost of either a town car (does the town have cars like city that are identified as "code enforcement") for the inspector to come out in or paying mileage for an inspector's personal car.
On the issue of why should "you" have to pay for the permit. Think if there was no code enforcement, no building permits, no permits for anything from pools to garage sales. Then the whole building department could be eliminated. Since there are building codes and assorted permits required. Why should I pay higher taxes to cover the cost review of YOUR property when "you" put up a pool, fence, etc?
Again, I'm not trying to take sides on whether there should or should not be permits for pools, fences, electrical work, etc with or without a user fee; I'm not trying to express an opinion. I'm just throwing out thoughts to think about. Kind of like, "you" can question why you have to pay tolls on the Thruway. Well, the road needs to be maintained, plowed, etc. If I don't take the thruway, why should I pay for it rather than tolls on the user. Trucking companies have permits for weight issues I believe, and why should I pay higher taxes for more maintenance costs on roads that are the result of the heavy trucks. But there is a difference in that the road is a public road vs your property is your private space. Why do we all pay ever increasing county taxes in order to pay for the PRIVATE properties/PRIVATE businesses in downtown owned by PRIVATE and ultra-wealthy property owners?
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
To put in a pool you must also have a ground fault protector installed in the breaker box along with a kill switch installed at where the pool filter plugs in and that must be certified by an electrician when the work is completed.
Well, I'd say while it might now take so much time to review (but guessing they'd have to check property ownership records against the person requesting the permit, probably (yes, thing of this) when the applicant makes reference to having acceptable fencing then the town probably checks it's records to find out if there was ever a permit taken out to put up a fence (that exists there now).
But then there is the staff time for a building inspector to come out to the house to do an electrical inspection for the filter. And to "come out to the house" means the cost of either a town car (does the town have cars like city that are identified as "code enforcement") for the inspector to come out in or paying mileage for an inspector's personal car.
On the issue of why should "you" have to pay for the permit. Think if there was no code enforcement, no building permits, no permits for anything from pools to garage sales. Then the whole building department could be eliminated. Since there are building codes and assorted permits required. Why should I pay higher taxes to cover the cost review of YOUR property when "you" put up a pool, fence, etc?
Isn't the building inspector collecting their salary regardless if they have to inspect a pool site plan? They aren't getting paid per diem. The building inspector gets paid lets say $45k annually, regardless if there is 1 or 50 pool site plans during that year.
If fees collected by the town create a surplus is the department they are intended to fund, because the operating costs of the department were covered through the general budget, the surplus created by fees should be returned to the people required to pay for the permit.
I've done more in-depth study of this issue. The thing that threw me in the article was the reference to building permits and state guidelines. Here's what has changed, and is the bone of contention, as far as I can tell: Fencing requirements always existed for backyard pools. The state has expanded their definition of what constitutes a backyard pool in need of regulation, to include smaller, shallower pools. Rotterdam is evidently expanding its own definition for regulatory purposes, that's what the guy said about meeting state guidelines. This is a non-issue for most people, because they already had fencing for their pools, to conform to local codes. Those inflatable pools, when most codes were written, inflatables were those flimsy wading things for babies. Now you see some quite large ones with filters and everything. Even if you take those things down every year, they are still a body of water that a child could conceivably drown in, and the state has included shallower pools than before. The other thing is, you always did need a pool permit for a pool of any size, almost anywhere, maybe not out in the country. It looks like Rotterdam has since decided to include these temporary pools in their permit requirements. They don't have to do that, but if some of these pools have an electrical connection that they have to inspect or something maybe they think they need to collect the fee. I don't know that Walmart needs to tell anyone that a pool has to conform to local regs and that the regs for that type of pool may have changed, because they don't know where you are going to use the thing. Does Rotterdam need to require a permit for inflatable pools? It doesn't have anything to do with the state, so you tell me. The fence and alarm stuff, they can't do anything about that, if they had been ignoring it and someone has now made an issue of it, they have to enforce it now or be held liable. An alarm requirement for your own fenced pool seems extreme, but think about that doofus they found in the park after he got hit by a train. With a plentiful supply of people like that running around loose, I'd want the alarm anyway, so I wouldn't come out and find that some idiot decided to take a nap in my kiddie pool and drowned himself.
I've done more in-depth study of this issue. The thing that threw me in the article was the reference to building permits and state guidelines. Here's what has changed, and is the bone of contention, as far as I can tell: Fencing requirements always existed for backyard pools. The state has expanded their definition of what constitutes a backyard pool in need of regulation, to include smaller, shallower pools. Rotterdam is evidently expanding its own definition for regulatory purposes, that's what the guy said about meeting state guidelines. This is a non-issue for most people, because they already had fencing for their pools, to conform to local codes. Those inflatable pools, when most codes were written, inflatables were those flimsy wading things for babies. Now you see some quite large ones with filters and everything. Even if you take those things down every year, they are still a body of water that a child could conceivably drown in, and the state has included shallower pools than before. The other thing is, you always did need a pool permit for a pool of any size, almost anywhere, maybe not out in the country. It looks like Rotterdam has since decided to include these temporary pools in their permit requirements. They don't have to do that, but if some of these pools have an electrical connection that they have to inspect or something maybe they think they need to collect the fee. I don't know that Walmart needs to tell anyone that a pool has to conform to local regs and that the regs for that type of pool may have changed, because they don't know where you are going to use the thing. Does Rotterdam need to require a permit for inflatable pools? It doesn't have anything to do with the state, so you tell me. The fence and alarm stuff, they can't do anything about that, if they had been ignoring it and someone has now made an issue of it, they have to enforce it now or be held liable. An alarm requirement for your own fenced pool seems extreme, but think about that doofus they found in the park after he got hit by a train. With a plentiful supply of people like that running around loose, I'd want the alarm anyway, so I wouldn't come out and find that some idiot decided to take a nap in my kiddie pool and drowned himself.
on the fencing issue
if the container above the ground can possibly hold , not has, 24" to 47.99999999999999999999999999999999999" of water it needs a fence, if the container can hold at least 48" of water or more then no fence - the 48" is the height most people cannot climb with out a ladder
oh, the fence should be stable enough as to not fall over when leaned on or pushed - it should keep out people not just Gadfly's Cats and Angelo's Chickens
looks like the ex-building inspector in the paper is in for more bad news
anonymous phone calls to town hall are soooooo much fun - just remember to activate "per call blocking" on the phone number you are calling from
imagine what fence would be required if todays children didn't have ps3, xbox, smart phones and free lunch at school - 6' with razor wire on top
people should enter my property at their own risk not at my risk - if you are stupid enough to drown or get hurt in my pool uninvited society has no need for you
the gene pool in New York could use some shoring up
imagine what fence would be required if todays children didn't have ps3, xbox, smart phones and free lunch at school - 6' with razor wire on top
people should enter my property at their own risk not at my risk - if you are stupid enough to drown or get hurt in my pool uninvited society has no need for you
the gene pool in New York could use some shoring up
I personally think it imbecilic that we need to have fences per law. Do they have a fence around the Mohawk River? Of course it is lawsuit Anerika
That being said, the insurers certainly want you to have them. I would not want a pool without a fence, just for privacy sake and the risk of vandalism. Try seeing what a pool liner cost. One piece of rebar can do a job on a pool liner. Dead skunks wind up in there too, when you have drunk old men with insane vendettas running around after hrs. THIS is Rottenham, after all.
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Well got my notice last night. We have a small above ground pool, not inflatable. We always lock the ladder up when not in use. But if the sides are not 48" or greater you have to have a fence. We asked how long we had to get it down and were told immed. So told the kids one last swim, they opted out, and we drained it. Not worth the aggravation. Not sure what started this pool warning rampage, but I am sure glad they waited until the end of summer . As for next year, guess they got my number now, not sure what we will do
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. As for next year, guess they got my number now, not sure what we will do 
