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Henry
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That depends...
If George Zimmerman witnesses the search, and the person searching is black... then yes of course, or
George could just shoot the guy, cause George would no doubt, feel threatened and that his life was in
danger.  And of course, as George knows, “These a---holes, they always get away.”.



Its a yes or no answer box, do you feel anyone who googled that should be paid a visit yes or no.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Its a yes or no answer box, do you feel anyone who googled that should be paid a visit yes or no.


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I guess you need yes or no in your world.  Figures.

Q  Do I like Chocolate or Vanilla better...
A  It depends.


An obvious joke about 'pressure cookers' would not need any further action.  An unstable person who
was fired from his job and acting strangely, yes.  A Right Wing Militia TeaBagger?  
MOST DEFINITELY!  ALWAYS!

It's a judgement call, so everyone might have a different set of rules.  The general rule...
"IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING".


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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An obvious joke about 'pressure cookers' would not need any further action.  An unstable person who
was fired from his job and acting strangely, yes.  A Right Wing Militia TeaBagger?  
MOST DEFINITELY!  ALWAYS!

It's a judgement call, so everyone might have a different set of rules.  The general rule...
"IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING".


Again that wasn't my question, the issue is someone looking this up and if they should be questioned for doing so, it doesn't matter how they acted the issue is what he googled.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Again that wasn't my question, the issue is someone looking this up and if they should be questioned for doing so, it doesn't matter how they acted the issue is what he googled.


OK.  We're back to "it depends".

I've given you my answer, you just don't like the answer that I gave you so you want another.

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An obvious joke about 'pressure cookers' would not need any further action.  An unstable person who
was fired from his job and acting strangely, yes.  A Right Wing Militia TeaBagger?  
MOST DEFINITELY!  ALWAYS!

It's a judgement call, so everyone might have a different set of rules.  The general rule...
"IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING".


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An employer saw something suspicious.  He called the police.  It turned out to be non threatening.
Just like your HERO, George Zimmerman, who also called the police when he saw a "suspicious person"
(which to George meant "a black man" ).
If you saw something suspicious at your workplace, would you report it?   The police know that
most of these calls are going to be nothing at all, but they must check out all leads to find the
very rare very destructive events.




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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Henry
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OK.  We're back to "it depends".

I've given you my answer, you just don't like the answer that I gave you so you want another.



No you just don't know how to answer, ok say you at home right now and Googled pressure cooker bomb, nobody is around to see it and you have no bad intentions but the NSA picked up a key word, should they pay you a visit with no other proof of bad intentions. This guy did Google it but there was no proof of bad intentions just like you at home Googling it had no bad intentions, the only difference is that someone seen him google it.


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No you just don't know how to answer, ok say you at home right now and Googled pressure cooker bomb, nobody is around to see it and you have no bad intentions but the NSA picked up a key word, should they pay you a visit with no other proof of bad intentions. This guy did Google it but there was no proof of bad intentions just like you at home Googling it had no bad intentions, the only difference is that someone seen him google it.


OK. One more time.THE NSA DID NOT DETECT THE SEARCH.  The EMPLOYER detected the search,
and called the police.
No NSA search was involved (except in your imagination).

From the original post:
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Suffolk County Criminal Intelligence Detectives (NOT NSA) received a tip from
a Bay Shore based computer company (NOT NSA) regarding suspicious computer
searches conducted by a recently released employee.
  The former employee’s computer searches took place on this employee’s workplace
computer. On that computer, the employee searched the terms “pressure cooker
bombs” and “backpacks.”
After interviewing the company representatives, Suffolk County Police Detectives (NOT NSA)
visited the subject’s home to ask about the suspicious internet searches.
The incident was investigated by Suffolk County Police Department’s Criminal Intelligence
Detectives (NOT NSA) and was determined to be non-criminal in nature.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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“pressure cooker bombs” and “backpacks.”

The call came from the employer to the police, not the other way around
Sounds like a reasonable thing to do.  Kind of like if on Sept 10th 2001, you saw an employee
search "Flying commercial planes into the world trade center, terrorists, Jihad".


Of course that's reasonable.TIC.

Any search engine search that has the words bomb, plane, city, US, terror, Jihad, backpack, Chechnya, infidel, pressure cooker, Boston,  Al Qaeda, Bin Laden, in it should be flagged.  I'm sure I can come up with many more words that require police to knock on your door and question your web browsing intentions.  Because as we know, EVERYBODY is a suspect.


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You know Henry, for the most part I agree with you.  But at the same time, had this been a valid issue and something occurred, we would be lambasting authorities for not acting on the concern...it's a case of rock and a ahard place...damned if you do/damned if you don't


So does an internet search now constitute reasonable suspicion or probable cause?

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Of course that's reasonable.TIC.

Any search engine search that has the words bomb, plane, city, US, terror, Jihad, backpack, Chechnya, infidel, pressure cooker, Boston,  Al Qaeda, Bin Laden, in it should be flagged.


You have just been flagged.

Again.

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The men identified themselves as members of the "joint terrorism task force." The composition of such task forces depend on the region of the country, but, as we outlined after the Boston bombings, include a variety of federal agencies. (The photo above is from the door-to-door sweep in Watertown at that time.) Among those agencies: the FBI and Homeland Security.


The local police work with "joint fusion centers", which include the CIA, FBI, DHS, and US military, which also get their intelligence from the NSA.  


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So does an internet search now constitute reasonable suspicion or probable cause?



That is the question, one box will not answer. Since he posted pressure cooker bomb I wonder if we should call the FBI and alert them of box, hey better safe then sorry right


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He sounds pretty radicle to me too.
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BOX...gotta understand, it's only way CISSYBOY knows how to act.
Now if Authorities did not act on the concern from the employer,
Cissy would then take the position that the costumed goons didn't do their job.
And if indeed the employers concerns were legit, and something did happen, and the authorities did not act,
then CISSYBOY would say the costumed goons are at fault for not stopping it.....
and so on, and so on, and so on......


No, I've accepted bad things happen and especially by people seeking revenge for all the death caused by the US foreign policy in the Middle East.  I just oppose treating every google search by US citizens that have certain phrase, as suspicious and cause for an investigator to interrogate them.  I understand that investigating google searches to research topics such as the Boston bombing may seem reasonable, but I disagree.  In JOEY's world, if your neighbor or employer accuses you of reading what THEY consider suspicious information, you should be treated as a potential threat.  That's the freedom JOEY fought for.


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He sounds pretty radicle to me too.


Very radical not to mention he is a veteran, that was one of the red flags DHS told us to look out for, its all adding up now


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He sounds pretty "radicle" to me too.

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Very" radical" not to mention he is a veteran, that was one of the red flags DHS told us to look out for, its all adding up now


So are we discussing Shadow's "RADICLE"...
     1.  part of the embryo of seed-bearing plants that develops into the main root
     2.  a very small root or rootlike part[/i]

Or are we discussing Henry's "RADICAL"...
of or going to the root or origin; fundamental: a radical difference.
     1.  thoroughgoing or extreme, especially as regards change from accepted or traditional forms
     2.  favoring drastic political, economic, or social reforms

There is a huge difference!  


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