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Box A Rox
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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ObamaCare is now what is left of Obama's original health care bill.  The GOP has watered down this
law from it's very inception.  As posted above, the poorest Americans, living in the south, have had
Obamacare taken away from them by their own Republican legislature.  When they talk about
"negotiations"... the south lost ObamaCare in those "negotiations".  When they talk about
"Compromise"... The GOP 'compromised" those people right out of their health care.
The "public Option" was originally in Obamacare, but now gone due to GOP "Compromise" .
Vermont and a few other states are now working on a plan to offer all Vermont citizens
the Public Option, and if successful, it may be the plan eventually used for the rest of the USA.



There was a provision for the FORCED expansion of medicare to cover the poor in the passed law.
The Supreme court said the forcing of the medicare expansion on states was unconstitutional.
Also, the supreme court did not "approve" Obamacare.. What they did is say the individual mandate and/or penalty was a tax.
Even though the Dems and the Obama admin repeatedly said the individual mandate was NOT a tax, they can be thankful that the SCOTUS, including chief judge Roberts disagreed with them. If they hadn't, the guts of the law would had been stricken.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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NATIONAL HEALTHCARE WAS PASSED BY BOTH PARTIES.....REMEMBER: 'we wont know what is in it until we pass it."

FU(KING BRILLIANT STATEMENT BY THE STATUS QUO.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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There was a provision for the FORCED expansion of medicare to cover the poor in the passed law.
The Supreme court said the forcing of the medicare expansion on states was unconstitutional.




YUP! Part of the GOP "Compromise".
And that's why the poorest southern states with a huge population of uninsured are now
with out health insurance coverage.
They can thank their own Republican legislators for that.


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GOP had nothing to do with it the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional.
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Suicide of the Right

"If ObamaCare had been as unpopular as conservatives believed, their plan for the shutdown
-- that there would be a public uprising to force Democratic senators in close races in 2014
to defund it -- would've worked. It didn't. Not a single senator budged."

"Their tactic failed, and now what they are left with is House Speaker John Boehner basically
begging the president of the United States to negotiate with him."

"One thing we know for sure is that it's not an equal fight, this fight between
a man who received 65 million votes nationwide and a man who received 246,000
votes in one congressional district in Ohio."


NY Post


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Suicide of the Right

"If ObamaCare had been as unpopular as conservatives believed, their plan for the shutdown
-- that there would be a public uprising to force Democratic senators in close races in 2014
to defund it -- would've worked. It didn't. Not a single senator budged."

"Their tactic failed, and now what they are left with is House Speaker John Boehner basically
begging the president of the United States to negotiate with him."

"One thing we know for sure is that it's not an equal fight, this fight between
a man who received 65 million votes nationwide and a man who received 246,000
votes in one congressional district in Ohio."


NY Post


Box, making the tyranny of the majority argument again.  He hates the republic.  It infuriates him that people in Ohio want to opt out.


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Obamacare defenders insist that the claim that it’s depressing job growth is overblown. Well, the cost of health insurance might not be something that employers worry about when they’re hiring executives. But for people on the lower rungs of employment, the ones the government claims it’s trying to help, the new health care law is giving them a double whammy: it’s costing them their existing health coverage while cutting their work hours, making it harder to afford replacement coverage. And now, that claim has been verified in the President’ own home state of Illinois. The Illinois Policy Institute studied the three employment sectors whose average worker hours were closest to 30 hours a week before Obamacare. They are retail, food and merchandise. That’s where low-paid hourly workers are most heavily concentrated. Since Obamacare passed, the average hours worked in all three industries have dropped below 30 hours a week, the threshold for having to provide health care.

To put it another way, so many work hours have been cut due to Obamacare that it’s the equivalent of losing 66,000 jobs in Illinois alone. I know, the politicians will say those are just low-paying hourly jobs, so what does it really matter? Well, it matters a great deal to the people who have to feed their families by working at them.

OBAMA APPROVE DROPS TO 37%
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Box, making the tyranny of the majority argument again.  He hates the republic.  It infuriates him that people in Ohio want to opt out.


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Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a Republican who campaigned as a budget hawk and rode
the Tea Party wave to victory in 2010, has agreed to accept Obamacare funding to
expand his state’s Medicaid program, breaking ranks with fellow Republican governors
and the Tea Party that elected him.

Some of the poorest states in the US took away the option of their Citizens to have health care.
For these poorest US States, the ER will be their health care, or it will be No CARE.


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OBAMA APPROVE DROPS TO 37%



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With the Republican-controlled House of Representatives engaged in a tense,
government-shuttering budgetary standoff against a Democratic president and Senate,
the Republican Party is now viewed favorably by 28%
of Americans, down from 38% in September.
This is the lowest favorable rating measured for either party since
Gallup began asking this question in 1992."


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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This is the lowest favorable rating measured for either party since
Gallup began asking this question in 1992."


This is great news!


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Some of the poorest states in the US took away the option of their Citizens to have health care.
For these poorest US States, the ER will be their health care, or it will be No CARE.


How did the poorest states take away the option for its citizens?  I thought the state WAS the citizens?  Are you suggesting governments are NOT "we the people"?  I happen to agree with you.

I would say more and more people are aware that "we" are not the government.  That is why the approval rating for both parties is at an all time LOW.


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This is great news!


Yea.  It should help kill the TeaBaggers in 2014.  There is speculation that the GOP will lose the house.


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How did the poorest states take away the option for its citizens?  I thought the state WAS the citizens?  Are you suggesting governments are NOT "we the people"?  I happen to agree with you.

I would say more and more people are aware that "we" are not the government.  That is why the approval rating for both parties is at an all time LOW.


Those states who elected Republicans, some with the poorest Americans, will now pay for their
decision.  Elections have consequences.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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