I disagree with much of what so called "libertarians" believe and promote. Paul Groupies don't seem to understand why any patriotic American wouldn't support the Pauls. This article can explain it better than I can:
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Why do the Pauls have such a problem again and again getting tied up with neo-Confederates and borderline white supremacists? It goes to the heart of what contemporary libertarianism is - or to put it more precisely, how there are very different movements and political agendas operating under that one label.
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The idea that there is a ideological divide or set of philosophical questions or priorities that makes some libertarians embrace the Confederacy and secession and despise Abraham Lincoln while others do not is, to put it generously, nonsense. Neo-Conderates, pro-secessionists, whatever else you want to call them are varying hues of white supremacists or to put it even more simply, racists. That’s not an accusation. It’s simply identifying them as a distinct political strain in American politics.
They may not be violent or actively call for legal discrimination against blacks or other non-whites. It’s also not wholly bound up with the racial polarity of whites and blacks. It also feeds off related but not identical nativist traditions in US politics, which adds an additional dose of conspiracy thinking and paranoia about the government being in the hands of sinister alien forces. But let’s not kid ourselves. That is what neo-Confederacy and all the rest of it are about, a vision of white supremacy expressed through a retrospective embrace of the Confederacy and the racial mores of the Jim Crow era. No one familiar with this phenomenon can question this.
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Who knows what’s in their hearts and frankly who cares? But none of this latest stuff should surprise us. And I don’t know why real libertarians waste any time making any sort of common cause with these folks. ‘Neo-Confederacy’ isn’t some outgrowth of or logical deduction from libertarianism. You’re a neo-Confederate because you believe in white supremacy. People who just can’t figure why good upstanding libertarians keep ending up finding themselves connected up with people who really don’t seem to like black people or Hispanics and believe in weird conspiracy theories about black helicopters stealing your lawn furniture really need to reread that Onion article.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I see John Edwards was a contributor to TPM. Good stuff!
I don't condone or defend the site... The article explains much of what some on this board are blind to... The Libertarian movement in America today has definite racist overtones and the Paul Groupies seem blind to that fact.
I wanted an outsiders view who has a much better grasp of the situation than I do, to explain the issue in a way that maybe the Groupies can understand. The RP Groupies discard my opinion as they reject my politics. There is a real reason that the rest of America rejects the Paul twins, and this article explains much of it.
(I'm sorry that you couldn't get past John Edwards posts... Perhaps you could have learned something.)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
No. It referred to another article in the Onion. Why not read the entire article. You often seem mystified as to why so many Americans reject the Paul Twins. What are you afraid of? Read it. I doubt it will convince you to change your politics, but it may inform you of why so much of America sees these Libertarians as Fringe Candidates and not serious contenders.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
No. It referred to another article in the Onion. Why not read the entire article. You often seem mystified as to why so many Americans reject the Paul Twins. What are you afraid of? Read it. I doubt it will convince you to change your politics, but it may inform you of why so much of America sees these Libertarians as Fringe Candidates and not serious contenders.
Why should I read something for a group that couldn't even be elected dog catcher, I'm wondering what you fear from this .01%
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Boxy is confusing Libertarianism with Progressive socialism.
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
Why should I read something for a group that couldn't even be elected dog catcher, I'm wondering what you fear from this .01%
As I just posted on the other thread... My interest is driven by the board and my overall interest in all US politics.
As a Republican the .01% candidate can have an impact on who is elected to Republican Primaries. Voters turn out to vote in elections, but they can only vote for the candidates chosen in party primaries. Parties, or political movements have a huge impact on who runs and who wins in Primaries. TeaBaggers can influence WHO runs in a primary by funding (Koch Bros) or endorsing a particular candidate thereby eliminating an actual valid candidate in the actual election.
Paul's allegiance or opposition to a Republican in a Republican Primary may have much more than his .01% votes.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
As a Republican the .01% candidate can have an impact on who is elected to Republican Primaries. Voters turn out to vote in elections, but they can only vote for the candidates chosen in party primaries. Parties, or political movements have a huge impact on who runs and who wins in Primaries. TeaBaggers can influence WHO runs in a primary by funding (Koch Bros) or endorsing a particular candidate thereby eliminating an actual valid candidate in the actual election.
Paul's allegiance or opposition to a Republican in a Republican Primary may have much more than his .01% votes.
Is this your summary on why the American democracy is illegitimate and election results don't represent the majority? It's pretty good, glad to see you've come around. I knew you had some logic in that partisan head of yours. You're a little biased with the Koch Bros. reference, since tons of Soros money influences the Democrat primaries in the same way. I know you think the Democrat Party and left wing activism is pure as wind driven snow, it isn't.
(I'm sorry that you couldn't get past John Edwards posts... Perhaps you could have learned something.)
There is nothing to learn there. It's an opinion piece written by a statist about how people that don't worship Abe Lincoln are white supremacists, and making a word up like 'neo confederates' to label anybody that believes in state's rights. And if you believe in states' rights, you must want the federal government out of your state so you can enslave black people.
So if you believe in states’ rights, if you believe in the letter of the constitution, and if you believe Abe Lincoln waged war on the south illegally killing hundreds of thousands - you must be a racist.
I don't condone or defend the site... The article explains much of what some on this board are blind to... The Libertarian movement in America today has definite racist overtones and the Paul Groupies seem blind to that fact.
I wanted an outsiders view who has a much better grasp of the situation than I do, to explain the issue in a way that maybe the Groupies can understand. The RP Groupies discard my opinion as they reject my politics. There is a real reason that the rest of America rejects the Paul twins, and this article explains much of it.
(I'm sorry that you couldn't get past John Edwards posts... Perhaps you could have learned something.)
putting an ethnic group into the 'help by government champions' category is ALSO racist.....the pendulum swings both ways. do not think the lefties aren't users of their fellow humans for their own advancement. I'm not defending either side just proving that your washcloth isn't any cleaner.
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
putting an ethnic group into the 'help by government champions' category is ALSO racist.....the pendulum swings both ways. do not think the lefties aren't users of their fellow humans for their own advancement. I'm not defending either side just proving that your washcloth isn't any cleaner.
PSST....masters come in many forms, some more palatable than others....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Is this your summary on why the American democracy is illegitimate and election results don't represent the majority? It's pretty good, glad to see you've come around. I knew you had some logic in that partisan head of yours. You're a little biased with the Koch Bros. reference, since tons of Soros money influences the Democrat primaries in the same way. I know you think the Democrat Party and left wing activism is pure as wind driven snow, it isn't.
If you think that Soros and Koch bros are on the same level you're naive.
Check out the anti ObamaCare adds that Koch is funding. Soros does put his money where his values are, but no where on the scale to the Koch Bros. Face it... the rich are Republican and so even if every Democrat gave 2% of his income to his favorite progressive causes, it wouldn't equal 1% of Republican income.
The money is and has for my lifetime been on the side of the Republicans. I assume that you'd agree.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Lots of Europeans are afraid of freedom. They came here and their offspring continue to try to find a way to return to serfdom as soon as possible. They have succeeded for the most part.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
the LAME STREAM MEDIA (that takes it's marching orders from GOV ALMIGHTY) is driving the opinions of the sheople........both the left and the right!!!
ALL of you folks are basing your 'opinions' on what the LAME STREAM MEDIA is regurgitating in the press and airwaves as if they were actually FACTUAL!!!!
OMG!!!!! ..............WAKE UP FOLKS!!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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..............WAKE UP FOLKS!!!!
