Quoted from CICERO

They apparently DO control the country.  One year ago the Muslim Brotherhood was elected into power, and one year later we are to believe public opinion has done a 180 and the Muslim Brotherhood is no longer a viable political party.  That is the most rapid political change I think I've ever witnessed, except for when the US violently over throws governments like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya.  Egypt will suffer the same fate, years and years of terror bombings by the Muslim Brotherhood.  They become more violent when they do not have a seat at the political table.

What do you want me to tell you Cicero? I guess Egypt has a different way of utilizing the recall system.


To say you never saw a people do a 180 so fast is very questionable. There have been plenty of recalls here of state governors after policies they enacted (either failed or very unpopular)....Hell, Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) had a recall vote a mere 1 1/2 years into his term and he's the only one ever to survive a recall vote.

Oh and FYI, there is a big difference between us going over and kicking the a** of other governments and a people kicking it's own government's a**. (You almost sound like Boxy)

Quoted from BuckStrider

What do you want me to tell you Cicero? I guess Egypt has a different way of utilizing the recall system.
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Oh and FYI, there is a big difference between us going over and kicking the a** of other
governments and a people kicking it's own government's a**. (You almost sound like Boxy)

I have no problem with the military standing up for the people.

The people chose to not continue the government they put in place.

I am glad to see the government didn't use the military against the people to prevent it.

The Egyptian military is a role model that all countries should follow.

The military considers itself the defenders of the people.

The people ended their government without weapons of mass destruction.

No bombings, no plotting, no attacks.

The Egyptian people should be proud of their accomplishments.

And be proud of their military that serves them.

Quoted from BuckStrider

What do you want me to tell you Cicero? I guess Egypt has a different way of utilizing the recall system.


To say you never saw a people do a 180 so fast is very questionable. There have been plenty of recalls here of state governors after policies they enacted (either failed or very unpopular)....Hell, Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) had a recall vote a mere 1 1/2 years into his term and he's the only one ever to survive a recall vote.

Oh and FYI, there is a big difference between us going over and kicking the a** of other governments and a people kicking it's own government's a**. (You almost sound like Boxy)

Egypt isn't Wisconsin, it is one of the oldest civilizations on earth, with a population of 84 million.  Just one year ago a democratically elected government was put into power with the MB getting over 50% of the vote and everybody was cheering "Arab Spring".  Now a year later, after a few weeks of demonstrations, the military is removing the MB and sending them into the wilderness?  

In your Scott Walker analogy, that would be like the Wisconsin state police removing Scott Walker in response to the Union protests at the Capital, and installing their own leader, then dismantling the Wisconsin GOP to never be heard from again.  I bet you can get box to support that.

Sorry you think I sound like box.  I hope box would recognize a military dictatorship when it is being installed.  

Egypt elected a president in an (I've read) fair election.  What does it say when the person elected fairly
is ousted by a protest movement.  It would seem if your man loses, all you need to do is stir up some
controversy and put your people in the streets.  
Every president in Egypt from now on will realize he needs to represent the will of the 'military' not the
will of the people.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

[b]I have no problem with the military standing up for the people.

The people chose to not continue the government they put in place.

I am glad to see the government didn't use the military against the people to prevent it.

That is because the military is obviously the government.  They solve social and political differences by lining the streets of Cairo with heavily armed armored vehicles.  

I sure hope you don't support our military putting their thumb on the scale to solve political differences.  

Be careful what you cheer for.  

Quoted from Box A Rox

Egypt elected a president in an (I've read) fair election.  What does it say when the person elected fairly
is ousted by a protest movement.  It would seem if your man loses, all you need to do is stir up some
controversy and put your people in the streets.  
Every president in Egypt from now on will realize he needs to represent the will of the 'military' not the
will of the people.

We agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoted from CICERO

We agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

$hit...    Then I must be wrong!

Quoted from Box A Rox

$hit...    Then I must be wrong!

Nah, it was a politically unbiased analysis.  You seem to draw logical conclusions when you remove liberal vs conservative thinking.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Egypt elected a president in an (I've read) fair election.  What does it say when the person elected fairly
is ousted by a protest movement.  It would seem if your man loses, all you need to do is stir up some
controversy and put your people in the streets.  
Every president in Egypt from now on will realize he needs to represent the will of the 'military' not the
will of the people.

It is difficult to say that Morsi was elected in a "free and fair" election.  Even the Carter Center said "it could not provide a comprehensive assessment" of the elections because monitors/observers were hindered in their ability to do their job, and the Carter Center cited other problems including "inconsistent polling and counting procedures" in the places where they were allowed to monitor/observe.

Since the 1950's, all 5 of Egypt's presidents have come to power and/or held power because of a combination of support from the Military and popular support.  The Military seems to be the deciding factor.  The Muslim Brotherhood has also played a factor since the 1950's but usually on the "wrong side" of the power struggles.  Eqypt has historically been a more moderate and secular Muslim nation.  And I don't think that the Military takes too kindly to a president (even a non-elected one) trying to take on more power than the Military is willing to give.   Look at the parallels between what is happening now and what happened between Naquib (the 1st president) and Nasser (the 2nd president).  

Egypt's military budget is $3.9 billion, the US gives $1.3 billion in military aid.  The US, that claims to "spread democracy" funds one third of the military that just removed and jailed a democratically elected government.  The US proving once again that imperial control is much more important than democracy.

Quoted from CICERO

Egypt's military budget is $3.9 billion, the US gives $1.3 billion in military aid.  The US, that claims to "spread democracy" funds one third of the military that just removed and jailed a democratically elected government.  The US proving once again that imperial control is much more important than democracy.

Egypt is an important ally because of its status among Middle Eastern nations, its strategic location and the Suez Canal.  I have no problem with the US providing military aid in order to keep that vital partnership going.  As for moving towards a more democratic form of government, I don't see it happening overnight but we can work with them to move towards that goal.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Egypt is an important ally because of its status among Middle Eastern nations, its strategic location and the Suez Canal.  I have no problem with the US providing military aid in order to keep that vital partnership going.  As for moving towards a more democratic form of government, I don't see it happening overnight but we can work with them to move towards that goal.

A democratically elected Egypt would reject U.S. imperialism in the Middle East.  They are an important ally so long as the government leadership can suppress the democratic will of the people.  The Suez Canal is strategic to the U.S. as Cuba was strategic to the Soviet Union.

Pic of the Day

Quoted from CICERO

A democratically elected Egypt would reject U.S. imperialism in the Middle East.  They are an important ally so long as the government leadership can suppress the democratic will of the people.  The Suez Canal is strategic to the U.S. as Cuba was strategic to the Soviet Union.

Egypt is strategic to the U.S. for many reasons but economic is a huge one -- we need the Suez Canal open to keep the oil flowing.  

The Soviet Union only considered Cuba strategic because it was 90 miles off the U.S. coast and made it easier for the Soviet Union to try to undermine democracy in the Americas and to point missiles and other military apparatus at the U.S.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

The Soviet Union only considered Cuba strategic because it was 90 miles off the U.S. coast and made it easier for the Soviet Union to try to undermine democracy in the Americas and to point missiles and other military apparatus at the U.S.

Well they did a good job.

They exported Communism and it has taken control.