I could explain it to you but I can't understand it for you!!!! ]
Obama ran on the platform of a more open government, it has turned into the most secretive administration to date.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
"if you see something, say something." (unless that "something" is critical of the state!)
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Messrs. Manning, Assange, and Snowden apparently took literally the message that has been plastered on public buildings, subways, airports, and billboards: "if you see something, say something." What the "something" is, and to whom your report is to be made, are never indicated, but the reaction of the hacks is clear: don’t have that "something" be critical of the state or its owners!
Perhaps the most lackwitted condemnation of Mr. Snowden is found in the last resort to which all statists eventually come: the public opinion poll. More Americans condemn this man than support him. The Barrabas factor; turning to the well-conditioned mob, whose members probably did graduate from high-school, for the final verdict, has long served the interests of state power. Even now, idolaters of state power are hoping that the rest of us will remain firm in our conditioning, and join in their lynch-mob frenzy.
Those establishment defenders who condemn the Bradley Mannings, Julian Assanges, and Edward Snowdens, have yet to present an indictment that extends beyond the fact that these courageous men have spoken truths that embarrass the institutional power structure. Such consequences may be disruptive of the special interests of the establishment, but how ordinary people are harmed in the process is never explained. Snowden has revealed how the government has insisted on having access to every private piece of information regarding every American. If this is true, and if it serves any valid purpose of the state to have such power, how can it be wrong for Americans to be made aware of this fact? If the state is entitled to know everything about us, why aren’t we entitled to know all the details of state action?
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
So again why no pictures or video, they gave us nothing accept some lousy picture of Obama and co watching a TV (probably a basketball game), like you said if you make a claim present proof, Obama and this government presented none accept his claim that he was killed in the raid. So your saying his word is enough but the opinions of others are no good.
Henry has a right to his opinion, no matter how bizarre, and he isn't totally alone with his opinion... "6% of voters believe Osama bin Laden is still alive". along with: "7% of voters think the moon landing was faked" even though they had eyewitnesses, photos, moon rocks, and scientific collaboration from around the world... But like Henry, they are all entitled to their opinion... no matter how bizarre.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
ACLU needs to contact Box-a-Rox and talk to him about the fine print on their phone agreement. The ACLU is filing a frivolous lawsuit. Americans have agreed to have their phone communications stored in a government data bank to be listened to with the authorization of a secret foreign Surveillance court.
The ACLU is in the business of protecting our Constitution... if they believe that the NSA surveillance is unconstitutional, they should take action against it, and if found to be, then that part of the patriot act should be thrown out or changed.
BTW, it's good to see the Rabid Right siding with the people who actually DO protect our Constitution... The ACLU.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Henry has a right to his opinion, no matter how bizarre, and he isn't totally alone with his opinion... "6% of voters believe Osama bin Laden is still alive". along with: "7% of voters think the moon landing was faked" even though they had eyewitnesses, photos, moon rocks, and scientific collaboration from around the world... But like Henry, they are all entitled to their opinion... no matter how bizarre.
Yeah...But there is no proof Bin Laden was killed during that alleged raid. I don't think it is rational for the 6% to believe Bin Laden is still alive, since there is no proof of that either. If Americans were rational critical thinkers, 100% should agree that there is no proof that Bin Laden is either alive or dead. I don't think that is conspiratorial but instead it is factual.
BTW, it's good to see the Rabid Right siding with the people who actually DO protect our Constitution... The ACLU.
The rabid right isn't siding with the ACLU to protect the Constitution, they are siding with Obama. You have Karl Rove, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, John Bolton, William Crystal, all coming to the rescue of Obama in justifying the domestic surveillence program that is collecting the electronic communications of Americans. I think your left vs. right labelling is breaking down. I told you the neocons were just as big statists as the liberal democrats. You have much more in common with those that you used to be political enemies with. How does it feel to watch Karl Rove run to the rescue of Barack Obama?
Henry has a right to his opinion, no matter how bizarre, and he isn't totally alone with his opinion... "6% of voters believe Osama bin Laden is still alive". along with:
I believe he is dead not just killed in the raid. Now answer my question why was there no photos or videos released, you said proof should be given if making a claim so where is their proof.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Americans Welcome Surveillance (Except Ron Paul Groupies)
The controversy over the surveillance issue has not gained traction with the general public. After the Boston marathon attacks, a New York Times/CBS News Poll found that 78 percent of people wanted more surveillance cameras. Monitoring individual communications is a different issue, but there was little public opposition to the practice during the Bush years. The majority of his critics are on the left, who were under the mistaken belief Obama would abandon all of the surveillance practices of the Bush administration. Instead, Obama has doubled down on the programs, winning praise from even his most vociferous critics.
When asked about Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-KY) assertion that the program was an assault on the Constitution, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said, “Sen. Rand Paul, he’s a libertarian, and in Rand Paul’s world you have almost no defenses against terrorists… In Rand Paul’s world, you can’t hold somebody for questioning who’s been involved in an attack on our country.” For good measure, Graham added, “I see the threat to the average American, radical Islam coming to our backyard trying to destroy our way of life. He sees the threat (from) the government that's trying to stop the attack. I'm more threatened by the radical Islamists than I am the government agencies who are trying to protect us.”
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The rabid right isn't siding with the ACLU to protect the Constitution, they are siding with Obama. You have Karl Rove, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, John Bolton, William Crystal, all coming to the rescue of Obama in justifying the domestic surveillence program that is collecting the electronic communications of Americans. I think your left vs. right labelling is breaking down. I told you the neocons were just as big statists as the liberal democrats. You have much more in common with those that you used to be political enemies with. How does it feel to watch Karl Rove run to the rescue of Barack Obama?
You're right. I didn't make my post clear, let me amend it:
BTW, it's good to see the Rabid Right on our board, siding with the people who actually DO protect our Constitution... The ACLU.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
You're right. I didn't make my post clear, let me amend it:
BTW, it's good to see the Rabid Right on our board, siding with the people who actually DO protect our Constitution... The ACLU.
So you agree with the ACLU then, what was done was unconstitutional
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
You're right. I didn't make my post clear, let me amend it:
BTW, it's good to see the Rabid Right on our board, siding with the people who actually DO protect our Constitution... The ACLU.
How do people you label as "rabid right" on this board, now fit the definition of "rabid right" if they are siding with the ACLU? In the world of political labelling, the "rabid right" could NEVER side with the ACLU. They would be thrown off of the right wing reservation for aiding the enemy - the ACLU.
Uh oh Box doesn't know who to choose Obama or the ACLU
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
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