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There are a lot of "other cities" with poverty issues and low median incomes.  

As far as taxes, one way to lower them is to lower expenses and the new system will cost less to operate and maintain.




How about lowering expenses as in stop spending money on rich downtown property owners, stop buying fancy lighting, get the government out of the bakery business, out of the gin mill business, out of the theater business, out of the hotel business, out of the salon business out of the appliance business, etc.


Oh wait, then the dems won't be getting their pockets lined by the rich






Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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pretty soon there will be parking sensors and your credits will be removed based on the weight of the car and contents via
bluetooth.....

THE SINGULARITY IS COMING


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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So who is parking downtown? Proctors ticket holders get a free stay in the parking garage. YMCA people and Center City people park for free as well.

Want new meters, have the tax-exempt Villia Italia, Johnnys, Paul Mitchell, Center City, Proctors, etc...all the tax-exempt businesses pay for it. After all, since they are not contributing to the tax base and the meters are only making it more convenient for their customers, they should pay for the meters.  

The City should start taking a stand and stop shelling out taxpayer money for items which will only benefit tax-exempt multi-million dollar businesses Downtown.

Chumps.
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THAT'S WHY



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Local police departments (LPDs) across the nation are incorporated as specialized non-profits. Most LPDs are known to the Secretary of State in their respective state as an association which gives the impression to the average citizen that this is a union. However this is not the case.

The LPDs are contracted by the City Council to preform police services and securitize the city they are hired in. This is the exchange of a local government hiring a private security firm to stabilize the local population and generate revenue for the city through tickets, arrests and recording infractions. However, this does not include upholding local laws, as the County Sheriff’s Office is elected to take charge of.

The problem with this system is that the LPDs, being corporations, are subject to corporate law. And corporations fall into dissolution (i.e. the termination of the corporation) for various reasons quite often. When it is the LPD that dissolves; this becomes a question of legal authority over the citizens by the hired private security firm known as the LPD.

Corporations that dissolve are not allowed by law to conduct business. These same rules apply to the LPD that is actually a corporation hired by the local government or city council to preform police services.

For example, in the State of Oregon, over 12 LPDs are in dissolution. On the Secretary of State website, when a LPD is dissolved it is classified as “INA” or inactive. This includes LPDs in the following cities:

• Beaverton
• Canby
• Charleston
• Eugene
• Gresham
• King County
• Lake Oswego
• Lebanon
• Portland
• Sherwood
• Weston

According to corporate law, if a corporation dissolves, it must withdraw as a business entity. This means that once the LPD is dissolved, they cannot continue to perform police services for the city in which they were hired.

And in fact, should this be brought to the public, it might be common place (as it is in the State of Oregon) that LPDs are in dissolution and not legally allowed to conduct police services because they lack legal authority as a dissolved corporation.

It also stands that the local governments that are privy to this information would be involved in not only egregious corruption but are knowingly misleading the citizens of their towns and cities. Once the LPD is dissolved, from the date of dissolution, any arrest, ticket, or police service preformed is now an illegal act. It is tantamount to a citizen impersonating a police officer which as serious legal ramifications.

Should citizens become aware of this fact in their city – that their LPD is a corporation that has dissolved and is continuing to operate as if they have legal right to do so – there would be justified legal recourse for every citizen who had been arrested, jailed, forced to pay a ticket of any kind and forced to appear in municipal court under those circumstances (including court costs, attorney’s fees and fees attributed by the court).

In 2012, Louis F. Quijas, Assistant Secretary of the Office for State and Local Law Enforcement (OSLLE), for the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) explained the purpose of the OSLLE as a front “office that provided coordination and partnership with state, local, and tribal law enforcement.”

The OSLLE was recommended by the 9/11 Commission. It was created to “lead the coordination of DHS-wide policies relating to state, local, and tribal law enforcement’s role in preventing acts of terrorism and to serve as the primary liaison between non-Federal law enforcement agencies across the country and the Department.”

Intelligence is disseminated through OSLLE to LPDs or “non-Federal law enforcement partners” to keep information flowing through initiatives such as the “If You See Something, Say Something™”, the Blue Campaign, the Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting (SAR) Initiative (NSI), and the Department’s efforts in Countering Violent Extremism.

OSLLE consistently works with LPDs on education, actionable information, operations and intelligence for the purpose of their part in the operations of the DHS with regard to keeping “our homeland safe”.

OSLLE also works as a liaison between LPDs to maintain DHS leadership and considerations of “issues, concerns, and requirements of state, local, and tribal law enforcement during budget, grant, and policy development processes.”

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) upholds relationships with LPDs for the purposes of and participation with National Preparedness Grant Program that began this year.

To ensure that local police departments continue to meet the requirements of training from DHS, officers regularly attend the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers (FLETC) in Glynco, Georgia.

LPDs are focused through OSLLE and DHS to “remain vigilant and to protect our communities from all threats, whether terrorism or other criminal activities” as DHS expands its control over local law enforcement and the communities they oversee.

As stated in the DHS directive from the Office for State and Local Law Enforcement (SLLE), the assistant Secretary for SLLE has “the primary official responsible for leading the coordination of Department-wide policies related to the role of state, tribal, and local law enforcement in preventing, preparing for, protecting against, and responding to natural disasters, acts of terrorism and other man- made disasters within the US.”

This directive also sets guidelines of advocacy for DHS by the LPDs. Authorization of DHS to take over LPDs is given in Title 6 of the United States Code, Section 607, “Terrorism prevention”.

In 2008, the Bureau of Justice Statistics stated that LPD “make up more than two-thirds of the 18,000 state and local law enforcement agencies in the US” which translates to an estimated 12,501 law enforcement agencies. Of those LPDs, there are more than 461,000 sworn officers.

Last year President Obama signed an executive order (EO) that created the White House Homeland Security Partnership Council and Steering Committee which tied DHS to local partnerships, federal and private institutions “to address homeland security challenges.”

Members of the Steering Committee include:

• Department of State
• Department of US Treasury
• Department of Defense
• Department of Justice
• Department of Transportation
• Department of Veterans Affairs
• The Federal Bureau of Investigations

In 2011, Congress encouraged private sector “police companies” to replace law enforcement on the State and local level by coercing a new police protection insurance that would tack on a fee to citizens for the use of “police protection”.

This move was justified by having citizens pay for the police to be called to scenes as a “communal service” that is contractual just as any other service or good is paid for. As a customer, the citizen would tell 911 dispatch their insurance information for payment purposes to be billed after the police were deployed to the scene, or services were rendered.

Turning LPDs into private security firms that provide services to the public was the scheme behind privatizing law enforcement.

Under state government contract, private security firms preform law enforcement services. With legislative bodies on both the state and Congressional level supporting this change, private corporations enter into contractual agreements with city councils to provide armed security patrol. Just as a rent-a-cop is hired to secure private property, local police departments are masked rent-a-cops that were hired by local government to secure their city.

This fact has been hidden from public scrutiny and has added to the blending of social perception of what the police are and what they do so that police services are able to function without question. At the same time, citizens are expected to pay fees for these “services” that were once inherent to life in a structured town or city.

In early 2012, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released a report entitled “Homeland Security and Intelligence: Next Steps in Evolving the Mission” which outlined in part on how to redirect efforts of the federal government from international terrorism toward home-grown terrorists and build a DHS-controlled police force agency that would control all cities and towns through the use of local police departments.

DHS maintains that “the threat grows more localized” which necessitates the militarization of local police in major cities in the US and the training of staff from local agencies to make sure that oversight is restricted to the federal government.

Private corporations have been parading as public servants policing cities and towns across America without the knowledge of the average citizen for quite some time. Although they wear the same badges as LPDs of the past, these private security firms are not there to uphold peace or enforce any laws and city ordinances. Just like any other corporation, they seek out opportunities to collect revenue for the benefit of the city that hired them.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Therein lies the problem, someone was quoted saying, "you have to spend money to make money" regarding the new meters. Local government's do not exist to "make money". Bring back civics in the schools.
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Quoted from rachel72
So who is parking downtown? Proctors ticket holders get a free stay in the parking garage. YMCA people and Center City people park for free as well.

Want new meters, have the tax-exempt Villia Italia, Johnnys, Paul Mitchell, Center City, Proctors, etc...all the tax-exempt businesses pay for it. After all, since they are not contributing to the tax base and the meters are only making it more convenient for their customers, they should pay for the meters.  

The City should start taking a stand and stop shelling out taxpayer money for items which will only benefit tax-exempt multi-million dollar businesses Downtown. Chumps.


Exactly. It is a way to write a ticket and better yet tow some sheeple for unpaid tickets. It's all about revenue generation-need and affordability never enter into the equation. Bravo to the many voices
against this idiotic proposal.
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I didn't read all the replies here so please excuse me if this was mentioned already

How many realize that $100,000 has already been dedicated in our budget for the Kiosk Parking meters in downtown.  They put this in the budget a few years back.  Wonder where that 100K went to???

Who is willing to ask the council and mayor to answer this.  I am sure if Vince brought it up they would first hold a democratic secret meeting then tell him he has to foil for the information.

We all know when things are not right in our government and the government in this city has been sick and questionalble for a very long time.

Come on try to contatct Porterfield she refuses to talk with you via email without you giving your name.  Hey, if I send an email and ask a question about something in the city why is it so important she knows who she is talking to.  Does she have various different answers to the question.  Is she profiling.  Just curious.  If I call or email vince and say I am a resident or a taxpayer that is good enough for him.  She could learn something about being for the people ALL the residents not just a chosen few.


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Quoted from mikechristine1
How about lowering expenses as in stop spending money on rich downtown property owners, stop buying fancy lighting, get the government out of the bakery business, out of the gin mill business, out of the theater business, out of the hotel business, out of the salon business out of the appliance business, etc.


Oh wait, then the dems won't be getting their pockets lined by the rich


BINGO! The corrupt fiscal incompetent  DEM machine needs grease. Pay to play. They get parking set asides at Center City {that we paid for twice} you get tickets and a tow. Run up to HH and pay for your car.
Here's the worst part horrible Cuomo wants to pick winners and losers Statewide. No State income tax, sales tax, property taxes for chosen employers! Only in New York.
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So who do you have to be to ask a question of a city official? A registered Democrat, perhaps?
Remember how city hall personnel were hogging the metered parking in front of city hall all day? Without paying? If parking gets a whiff of corruption to it, it discourages those not "in the know" from visiting an area if they don't have to. Nobody drops by downtown Albany just for the heck of it. People avoid it like the plague if they aren't compelled to be there. Of course, why should we start letting reality influence what we do downtown?
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Quoted from Madam X
So who do you have to be to ask a question of a city official? A registered Democrat, perhaps?
Remember how city hall personnel were hogging the metered parking in front of city hall all day? Without paying? If parking gets a whiff of corruption to it, it discourages those not "in the know" from visiting an area if they don't have to. Nobody drops by downtown Albany just for the heck of it. People avoid it like the plague if they aren't compelled to be there. Of course, why should we start letting reality influence what we do downtown?


I take it that you don't get out much --- there are a lot of people who head to Downtown Albany just for the heck of it.

BTW - if you believe that the city must provide free on street parking than you must believe - also - that suburban towns should build and maintain the parking lots at malls and other businesses and provide those parking spaces for free to those who ue them


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Actually, I used to work in downtown Albany. Nobody goes there DURING THE DAY, WHEN THE METERS ARE IN EFFECT, just for a lark. They avoid it. Where did I say that the city must provide free on-street parking? No, I would not have to believe the other thing even if I thought Schenectady should provide parking. Public streets and private businesses are two different things. As are cities, towns, and villages.
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Actually, I used to work in downtown Albany. Nobody goes there DURING THE DAY, WHEN THE METERS ARE IN EFFECT, just for a lark. They avoid it. Where did I say that the city must provide free on-street parking? No, I would not have to believe the other thing even if I thought Schenectady should provide parking. Public streets and private businesses are two different things. As are cities, towns, and villages.


The city doesn't have to provide ANY parking spaces along public streets -- just like the towns do not provide parking spaces by malls or other businesses in its jurisdiction.  The fact that cities have provided parking spaces along public streets constitutes a tax-payer funded advantage for businesses located in the city.

If you were consistent in your thinking --- then it is logical that if you insist that the City of Schenectady must provide free tax-payer funded on-street parking than the towns must provide free tax-payer funded parking by malls and other businesses.  Otherwise, you are at least inconsistent and more likely - in fact - being hypocritical in your thinking.

Many people do go to Downtown Albany during the day for a variety of reasons --- very few people go ANYWHERE "just on a lark."    The fact is that metered parking is a way to charge a LEGITIMATE user fee on folks who use tax-payer funded, municipal on street parking.  It is only fair that the people who use the parking space pay something towards the cost of providing and maintaining the parking space.  Frankly -- if people don't want to pay a nominal parking fee than the cities should just pass an ordinance making it illegal to park on any city street and let people find off street parking for themselves or take public transportation.


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Excuse me, where did I say that the city must provide free on-street parking?
"There are lots of people who head to Downtown Albany just for the heck of it" -DVOR. I SAID, nobody goes there on a lark. I also said people avoid it if they don't have to go there. READ WHAT I SAID, if you are going to argue about it.
No, I wouldn't have to equate what a city does with parking downtown with what other areas without downtowns do, to be "logical". That wouldn't be "logical", that would be "crazy", as I don't care what policies are in place in places I don't live in.
Go to downtown Schenectady, park at a meter, and sit there all day, if you care so much. Maybe you could get someone to give you a metermaid job.
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Excuse me, where did I say that the city must provide free on-street parking?
"There are lots of people who head to Downtown Albany just for the heck of it" -DVOR. I SAID, nobody goes there on a lark. I also said people avoid it if they don't have to go there. READ WHAT I SAID, if you are going to argue about it.
No, I wouldn't have to equate what a city does with parking downtown with what other areas without downtowns do, to be "logical". That wouldn't be "logical", that would be "crazy", as I don't care what policies are in place in places I don't live in.
Go to downtown Schenectady, park at a meter, and sit there all day, if you care so much. Maybe you could get someone to give you a metermaid job.


You have been complaining about having to pay for parking in Schenectady -- now you seem to be denying that.   And obviously, you couldn't draw the connection and distinction between who actually pays for  "free parking" in a city and who pays for free parking at the malls and suburban businesses.   The FACT is that the businesses pay for the free parking at the malls and suburban businesses ... and the TAXPAYERS pay for the "free parking" on city streets.

So if you honestly and really want to give the city taxpayers a break, you should actually be supporting a more cost efficient manner of providing metered parking in the city.  Otherwise, you are just spouting a bunch of hot air.


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I didn't complain about paying for parking.
I know who pays for what in Schenectady, and it isn't you.
I am not drawing any connection with what private businesses do where I don't live. Why would I? That would be comparing apples to oranges, only stupider.
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