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CICERO
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Legal does not equal moral.



He doesn't understand that.  I gave examples of the German Nuremberg Laws and the Fugitive Slave Act.  I'll throw out the Jim Crow Laws, but I still don't think he'll get it.  He is thoroughly brainwashed.  


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Ask th child of a herion addict if there are no victims of drug use. The drug laws are a failure and have done little dot deter drug use. I believe that in many ways they have increased drug use, particularly in poor and minority neighborhoods, but that does not negate that the use of drugs affects more than the user.

Perhaps there is little impact on others from the occasional recreational pot smoker, but drugs like meth, crack, herion do and it's not because of the laws regarding the drugs.
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He doesn't understand that.  I gave examples of the German Nuremberg Laws and the Fugitive Slave Act.  I'll throw out the Jim Crow Laws, but I still don't think he'll get it.  He is thoroughly brainwashed.  

Actually, I totally get it...I get you and your narrow mind of hatred and racism
I get his narrow mind of failures and hatred
No the problem is that I am not brainwashed....if I were, I'd
be agreeing with you and your butt buddy


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Actually, I totally get it...I get you and your narrow mind of hatred and racism
I get his narrow mind of failures and hatred
No the problem is that I am not brainwashed....if I were, I'd
be agreeing with you and your butt buddy


Ok, so you agree that a black person was a criminal for drinking or of a 'whites only' drinking fountain in Alabama.  See, I don't believe that person is a criminal because they did not violate anybodies rights.  But hey, to each his own.  I wouldn't expect any different from somebody trained to obey state orders.

You would have been the racist in the Jim Crow south, you would have been a good American and obeyed the laws.  I would have been a radical anarchist, and probably slurred for my opposition of the law.  Just like now, when Buckstrider makes comments calling me a stoner for my opposition to drug laws.


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Ok, so you agree that a black person was a criminal for drinking or of a 'whites only' drinking fountain in Alabama.  See, I don't believe that person is a criminal because they did not violate anybodies rights.  But hey, to each his own.  I wouldn't expect any different from somebody trained to obey state orders.

You would have been the racist in the Jim Crow south, you would have been a good American and obeyed the laws.  I would have been a radical anarchist, and probably slurred for my opposition of the law.  Just like now, when Buckstrider makes comments calling me a stoner for my opposition to drug laws.


I said I get it....I DID NOT say I agree with you and your demented thought
process nor your stupid analogies or anything else you've provided on the subject.
You're pathetic!!!!!


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I said I get it....I DID NOT say I agree with you and your demented thought
process nor your stupid analogies or anything else you've provided on the subject.
You're pathetic!!!!!


So you wouldn't have supported Jim Crow laws?  A violation of them would be "criminal".  And the dictionary definition of criminal is all that matters.  Right?


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So you wouldn't have supported Jim Crow laws?  A violation of them would be "criminal".  And the dictionary definition of criminal is all that matters.  Right?


Let me try and write this more simple for you....please see if there is a 3 year old around that can interpret it for you....

"I said I get it....I DID NOT say I agree with you and your demented thought
process nor your stupid analogies or anything else you've provided on the subject."

Don't drag me into your racial bias discussions...
It's just another diversion by Cissy!!!!

LIMA
MIKE
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Let me try and write this more simple for you....please see if there is a 3 year old around that can interpret it for you....

"I said I get it....I DID NOT say I agree with you and your demented thought
process nor your stupid analogies or anything else you've provided on the subject."


Well lets go back to your beginning post where you said criminals decide to be criminals by breaking laws, and not the city that makes the laws.  My point is, government with their laws against non violent crimes turned people into criminals. My example of Jim Crow laws is just one example where people were turned into criminals for using their own moral judgement to integrate, which didn't hurt anybody.  Drug Laws will be viewed the same way over the course of time.  

Jailing people for non violent crime and using them as slave labor is immoral, regardless if that person's actions fit the definition of criminal.  A drug addiction doesn't give the state the right to use a person as a slave like Roger Hull is suggesting. They are not a resource.


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Ask th child of a herion addict if there are no victims of drug use. .


Ask a child of a heroine addict if drug prohibition prevented their parents from becoming an addict.  Then tell me if the incarceration and criminal record they may have gotten for possessing heroine helped them get over their addiction.  Then ask them if stricter laws and more jail time or more involved parenting would have been a better solution in preventing their addiction.  Ask them if jail or rehabilitation would be a better solution for their parents addiction.

You keep on providing evidence of prohibitions failures.  


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You keep on providing evidence of prohibitions failures.  


You keep on providing evidence of the failure of our education system.


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You keep on providing evidence of the failure of our education system.


Custer made his last stand.  Joebxr is in full retreat. LMAO!!!


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All the talk in the memorial day section thanking our vets for our rights but then come here and trample on the most important right, the right to our bodies, what a joke.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Actually, I totally get it...I get you and your narrow mind of hatred and racism
I get his narrow mind of failures and hatred
No the problem is that I am not brainwashed....if I were, I'd
be agreeing with you and your butt buddy


Actually, your last few responses, have been the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears, and yelling LA LA LA LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
Then, you resort to insults, and not even witty insults, because you lack critical thinking skills, or any  sense whatsoever of reflective reasoning that might enable you carry out any type of reasoned discourse without sparks and smoke shooting out your ears.

Buffoons like yourself, are the bigest threat this country has ever faced, and the fact that you, and the rest of the low information crowd can vote, scares me.

Everything you know about the War On DrugsTM , is gleaned from old reruns of "Dragnet".


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Custer made his last stand.  Joebxr is in full retreat. LMAO!!!


Yup, there you go...best you can do when you are shown for the jerk you are!
I'm just so glad that you are an inconsequential minority....if you were a majority,
this country would be in so much more deep $hit than it is today!


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Ask a child of a heroine addict if drug prohibition prevented their parents from becoming an addict.  Then tell me if the incarceration and criminal record they may have gotten for possessing heroine helped them get over their addiction.  Then ask them if stricter laws and more jail time or more involved parenting would have been a better solution in preventing their addiction.  Ask them if jail or rehabilitation would be a better solution for their parents addiction.

You keep on providing evidence of prohibitions failures.  


Did you only read one sentence of what I wrote? I stated that the drug laws are a failure but the effects of certain drugs are destructi e regardless of the laws that are associated with them. Do you know any addicts? Do you know anyone who has lost a parent or child, of have you lost a friend be jade thy ODed due to a thing called tolerance? Have you had your friend and roommate steal all of your money because they blew through all of their money buying herion-a drug that is extremely cheap and accessible. Do you know anyone who had their children taken away because mom was so strung out that when the kids tried to make their own dinner they set the house on fire and mom couldn't get it together enough to ensure they were safe.

Not all the negative effects of drug use are due to the laws. I am not saying the laws are good but don't pretend that if the drugs were legal that they still wouldn't fu*k up people's lives. Just look at alcohol--legal and still a destructi e force. Legal and still leaves a load of victims in its wake.
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