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Proctors theater... and power plant, trash collection, and internet service
posted Apr 25, 2013


An old Vaudeville theater that hosts Broadway road shows like Wicked and Book of Mormon, plus films, comedy, and music is easy to write about. There's glitz, there's glamour, there's history. It's sexy.

A district energy plant that heats and cools businesses along a city block -- less sexy.

OK, but what if the same place also collects trash? And sells internet and phone service? And hosts Broadway touring companies, films, comedy and music performances.

Then it's Proctors.

When you pass by the Schenectady theater and arts hub, here are a few interesting things that you won't see on the surface.
An energy cooperative

In addition to running Broadway-style shows and arts programming, Proctors runs a district energy system that heats and cools its own building, the nearby Hampton Inn, and Center City across the street.

Proctors' system is powered by natural gas and heats water to distribute for heating. Waste heat from the system is used to create cooling. The system is currently heating and cooling about one million square feet, and has the capacity to cover about three million square feet within two blocks in downtown Schenectady.

"We installed four 60 kilowatt microturbines -- 240 kilowatt -- they are tied to a hot water absorber which takes the waste heat and creates cooling with it so we add both cooling capacity and electric capacity," explains Proctors CEO Philip Morris, who gave us a tour of the system last week.

As Morris mentioned, the system is also capable of generating electrical power. Not a lot of power -- just enough to be used as a back-up to get Proctors through a show in the event of a power outage -- but it could also add to their cooling capacity. But after five years, Proctors is still unable to use the system for more regular power generation due to an issue with National Grid. Morris says it appears a resolution is coming soon.


Saving money and carbon

The businesses connected to Proctors system pay based on their usage, their peak on and off times, and maintenance. Morris estimates it saves Proctors and the other businesses involved between 15 and 20 percent a year on heating and cooling costs. Each customer is also saving money by not having to build its own heating and cooling systems (nor, down the road, junking an old system for a new). Center City, says Morris, saved over a million dollars, primarily in capital costs for equipment, by not having to build its own plant.

According to Morris the district heating and cooling system also reduces the carbon footprint for downtown businesses -- saving 45 pounds, or "three bowling balls," of carbon each hour.

The Proctors system has two boilers and two chillers, for both redundancy and efficiency. "When it's 40 degrees out, maybe only one is running. When it's zero, maybe they're both running," Morris explains.



District energy isn't new. A centralized steam system was established in Manhattan in the late 1800s, and ConEd now provides steam to large portions of the city. (The Proctors system uses hot water instead of steam.)

Morris points out there are a number of district energy systems in place around the US, but they mostly serves colleges, where a central plant heats and cools buildings throughout the campus. But since Superstorm Sandy, says Morris, New York State has exhibited renewed interest in district energy systems.

"The state is pushing very hard for district energy because with centralized energy distributed over monstrous networks -- thousands and thousands of people are at risk for one mistake or one bad day or whatever, and some district energy is a way to mitigate that risk," he says.


Re-envisioning the role of a cultural center

So why does a theater and cultural center get involved in providing heat and cooling?

It started more than nine years ago, when Schenectady and Metroplex were looking for solutions to a deteriorating downtown.

"The most important thing to remember is how low Schenectady had gotten," Morris says. " Ninety percent of downtown was vacant. Wholesale change was required."

Morris says local officials and property owners were open to all kinds of options to encourage development. So he tossed out an idea he'd heard learned about years earlier, when he was a member of the Jamestown City Council -- a district energy plant. "If we can provide our neighbors affordable energy at a consistent price -- that's one of the biggest issues to owning property and developing property."

They requested a NYSERDA study, which reported that pretty much every property in the downtown area would need new heating and cooling systems. That would involve huge capital costs for all of those buildings. So, without a single client committed, Proctors took a gamble and built the system, providing a different option for those buildings.

It now has three clients and would like to add more -- the system has the capacity to heat and cool three times the square footage it's currently serving. Proctors also uses the system to provide sidewalk snow melting for all the businesses on its block, which saves Proctors alone $50,000 a year in insurance costs.


The Center City complex doesn't have its own heating system, it is heated and cooled by Proctors district energy stystem.

"We don't think of ourselves as a utility," says Morris, "We think of ourselves as a neighborhood support structure. It runs like a cooperative. We meet once a year, we talk about problems, our customers will call us up with problems and we'll go over and help them."

As the administrator, Proctors handles all of the maintenance for the system. "We have a lot of pipe underground that, if it failed, would be a disaster. And eventually it will fail --it's inevitable -- so as the administrator you have to keep up on all that stuff," he says. "Soon we'll hire a company to come and use fiber optic photography and go in all the pipes and see what they look like. But if we had our own systems we'd have to do the same thing. It costs more but not by multiples that are painful. We would have had a steam operator -- now we have one and a half steam operators. We would have had some type of engineering consultancy, but it was worth getting a half time in-house engineer. It cost more but other people are helping to pay for it."

Proctors also handles other things you wouldn't expect an arts org to do -- like trash collection for its city block.

"When Hampton Inn was trying to get their approval from the city planning commission one of the problems was that in order to accommodate all the garbage containers they needed, they were below minimum threshold of parking for their licensing from the Hampton franchise," says Morris. After talking with developers and business owners on the block, they decided to put a trash compactor on a piece of land that belongs in part to Proctors and in part to The Hampton. The compactor is used by the whole block and allows The Hampton the extra parking it needs.



Proctors has now agreed to collect trash for the entire block. "Our neighbors pay us -- and they pay us less than they would pay someone else... and we actually make a few pennies," says Morris. "It's no skin off our teeth to become a trash collector because we are going to collect trash anyway. We're gonna do it. So now we can do it better for ourselves because of the compaction smaller footprint."



Proctors does something similar with internet and phone service. It paid for high speed fiber and provides internet and voice-over-IP for its downtown tenants at a rate it guarantees for ten years.

As a theater, Morris says, Proctors is unique in providing theses sorts of cooperative services. But ee says a few other theaters in the country have been looking at them as a potential model.

"What it comes down to," says Morris, "is we are cultural facilities managers. And if you're a facilities manager, you are going to have internet, telephone, waste, heating -- and allocating that service to others becomes not that big a deal. We're a theater -- we're a building. A building needs heat and cooling and if we supply it to three others it's not that big a leap."

It may not be that much of a logistical leap, but it's kind of a philosophical leap to imagine an arts organization providing these types of services to keep costs low for neighbors, make a little extra money, and improve the area. Then again, isn't improving a region part of the mission of an arts organization?

"It's an interesting integration of economic development, community development, public policy, cultural development," says Morris. "It just speaks to an unusual alliance of forces that's part of your community's redevelopment."
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Proctors has now agreed to collect trash for the entire block. "Our neighbors pay us -- and they pay us less than they would pay someone else... and we actually make a few pennies," says Morris. "It's no skin off our teeth to become a trash collector because we are going to collect trash anyway. We're gonna do it. So now we can do it better for ourselves because of the compaction smaller footprint."


So all of those folks on the entire block are getting their trash pick up paid for by the already overburdened taxpayer!!!
Holy sh!t!!!!
What a friggin' scam!!!


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This is sickening. This guy comes to town after working his magic in Jamestown or wherever it was, which he failed at, is here two minutes and becomes an expert on the place (90% vacant?) and now he is getting free reign with our money to dabble in whatever takes his fancy because he obviously doesn't have enough work to do to earn his high salary. He is burrowing in like a tick. It really should be illegal for this unelected non-resident to be throwing money that comes from taxpayers around this way. It probably is illegal.
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Proctor's has clearly overstepped their tax exempt status based on the arts.

They now own several building along State St.

They take their arts exemption with them along the way.

An energy company, and rubbish removal are clearly not within the intent of an arts grant or exemption.
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Yes, it is clear. But who will do something about it?
For those who still believe the bs, if it is so wonderful here, why did Morris move out of town?
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Quoted from Madam X
This is sickening. This guy comes to town after working his magic in Jamestown or wherever it was, which he failed at, is here two minutes and becomes an expert on the place (90% vacant?) and now he is getting free reign with our money to dabble in whatever takes his fancy because he obviously doesn't have enough work to do to earn his high salary. He is burrowing in like a tick. It really should be illegal for this unelected non-resident to be throwing money that comes from taxpayers around this way. It probably is illegal.


Lots of interesting facts coming out about the "Empire" of Proctors. Plex funds, State and Federal grants and taxpayer money all being used so that Proctors can extort money from other Downtown businesses...let's call it what it is.

This isn't a non-profit, not a charity, it's a businesses which is taking advantage of any and all funds they can get their thick stubby fingers on.

Wonder if Morris will get his own jail cell or if he'll be bunking with Gillen or Galesi.
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I should talk to my neighbors. Maybe we can come up with an excuse to make our whole block tax exempt. We could call it the "neighborhood of the future" or some such rubbish and spend part of the thousands we save on taxes on making our houses green or different in some way. Perhaps we will paint pictures on the sides and call it an Arts District and then it will be "good for Schenectady" and all the less creative types will have to pay taxes for me and my neighbors.
Maybe I could just make a point of going out and yelling at the neighbors' kids if I see them doing anything I don't like, and we could be the prototype "It Takes a Village" village. You see where I'm going with this. I'd be coming late to the table because the market is pretty saturated with these 'not-for-profit and/or tax exempt entities as urban saviors' deals, but Schenectady is possibly the last place on earth where people still fall for this stuff as evidenced by this Proctor's article.
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
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If reps were in power.......it would be no different....just the faces would be different!!  It ALL stinks!!

And the most sickening part is that the majority of folks are nothing but mindless sheople!!

A corrupt government's dream come true!!!


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Quoted from Libertarian4life
Proctor's has clearly overstepped their tax exempt status based on the arts. They now own several building along State St.
They take their arts exemption with them along the way. An energy company, and rubbish removal are clearly not within the intent of an arts grant or exemption.


It's worse than that. Their exemption is for education! The IRS should revoke all their exemptions and have Morris on a full paying basis. Ditto the City. No mention of taking Key Bank permanently off the
tax rolls for an unused catering hall? The City doesn't need that $80,000 lol. Proctor's refuses to repay ANYTHING for the millions in State/County dollars flushed. Run a feeding center at unused Key Hall, pay a
PILOT to keep City pools open,  do something besides padding your bloated salaries. The final slap in the face is that this turbo tax cheat Morris wins a Patroon Award after fleeing the Stockade and ruining our
cable access channel.  Hooray for me-F you.
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The nayboobs continue their campaign of lies, distortions and misinformation but those of us who are intelligent and reasonable know that these folks are just full of bull poop.  The former Key Bank building has been the venue for quite a number of very nice events.  The new Key Bank near Erie Blvd is a lot easier to get in and out of and the old bank is being used well.  Now - if only we could get the state to allow us to build a high-rise resort hotel and casino in that huge parking lot behind Proctor's.


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The nayboobs continue their campaign of lies, distortions and misinformation but those of us who are intelligent and reasonable know that these folks are just full of bull poop.  




Really? Lies, distortions, and misinformation?????

DV are you MAN ENOUGH to provide EVIDENCE of the lies, distortions and misinformation?


Well?????    

What EVIDENCE do you have?    

Just what are these lies you claim we state??????        Can you list them AND provide EVIDENCE that we have lied?????

Well????


I didn't think you would list them and provide evidence.  











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  The former Key Bank building has been the venue for quite a number of very nice events.  



Sure, it is a nice venue, true.   However, DV, see, as you have never been married and never will be, you have absolutely no clue whatsoever how very very EXPENSIVE a wedding reception is at that place.   King Philip is charging a fortune and making lots of money.   It IS a venue LIKE EVERY OTHER venue in the country, charging big bucks FOR PROFIT.  

But, the financially struggling homeowners in the city are FORCED to pay the property taxes on this FOR PROFIT building!!!!!!!!!!!

Now are you MAN ENOUGH explain why financially struggling homeowners should pay the taxes on a lavish and expensive FOR PROFIT banquet hall in addition to paying taxes on their own homes?????    Are you MAN ENOUGH to explain why King Philip should be able to hold lavish AND EXPENSIVE galas there and not pay property taxes on that property?????    

Well, are you MAN ENOUGH to answer that?    

He won't answer with any details/eveidence because the cowardly cuckoo is too fearful to admit how ignorant he is about finances and property taxes.







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I hear that they are planning to use the he/she's hovel as the new horse sh*t dump during the Saratoga Racing season.  The neighbors are happy because it will IMPROVE the looks and smell of the place.


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I hear that they are planning to use the he/she's hovel as the new horse sh*t dump during the Saratoga Racing season.  The neighbors are happy because it will IMPROVE the looks and smell of the place.



Once again, he cannot address the falling tax base, the falling home values, the falling home sale prices, the increasing taxes







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