Again, honoring their sacrifice, the sacrifice regardless of politics is what Memorial Day Is About... not about your beloved tax dollars or your agenda. If you don't realize that, you DO live in a little world.
Sacrifice needs to have a better goal to risks ones own life or safety, do you think lining the pockets of politicians and the MIC was a sacrifice worth dying for, sorry if I don't see anything worth clapping for there. A veteran like you should see the bs more then everyone else, but I guess you have to lie to yourself to try to justify the loss of your friends in Nam,I wonder if they would say their loss of their life and their families grief was worth it, I highly doubt it >
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Sacrifice needs to have a better goal to risks ones own life or safety, do you think lining the pockets of politicians and the MIC was a sacrifice worth dying for, sorry if I don't see anything worth clapping for there. A veteran like you should see the bs more then everyone else, but I guess you have to lie to yourself to try to justify the loss of your friends in Nam,I wonder if they would say their loss of their life and their families grief was worth it, I highly doubt it >
IS the dollar that important to you? Don't you value anything more than a F'n DOLLAR? "Line your pockets..."??? Is a dollar the most important thing in your life???
Lying to myself??? Um... ask Cicero to borrow his "War Is A Racket" book. It appears he never really got the message anyway.
As posted above, every time you make assumptions about me, you get it wrong. You put YOUR values on my life history, something you always seem to get wrong.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
IS the dollar that important to you? Don't you value anything more than a F'n DOLLAR? "Line your pockets..."??? Is a dollar the most important thing in your life???
Lying to myself??? Um... ask Cicero to borrow his "War Is A Racket" book. It appears he never really got the message anyway.
As posted above, every time you make assumptions about me, you get it wrong. You put YOUR values on my life history, something you always seem to get wrong.
I value life more then a dollar but many who use our troops as pawns do not. And yes you are lying to yourself, hey if that lie gets you through life good for you but don't think I won't call it out as just that, a lie. Its just to bad thousands will never have a voice or opinion anymore to tell us if it was worth it.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Cicero... as I've posted many times... you confuse the war with the warrior. You see them as the same. You blame the warrior for the war, and as a civilian yourself, you absolve yourself of any blame for those wars. Your answer to what you consider an unjust war is 'THE TROOPS SHOULD REFUSE TO FIGHT'. Again, you blame the warrior for the Civilian war. YOU ARE AS MUCH TO BLAME AS ANY AMERICAN WHO ALLOWS AN UNJUST WAR BY YOUR OWN GOVT.
No box, you cannot separate the warrior from the war. If the warrior is fully aware that the war they are fighting in is a racket, that warrior has the responsibility to refuse to kill in that war. You can't have it both ways. You cannot claim that the soldier is an independent thinker and not an order taker, while acknowledging that the "warrior" is fully aware that the wars they are ordered to fight in are rackets. That would mean they are making a conscience decision to fight in offensive wars of profit. That would also make them a war criminal or mercenaries.
I am not to blame for these wars. I choose not to fund these wars, but your just government doesn't allow me to make that choice. They will extort the money from me to fund these wars, if I do not give them the money they demand, they will throw me in a cage.
It is your wonderful democracy that is responsible for these wars. I am but only one vote(which has proven to be a waste of time). I have been vocal in my opposition of these illegal wars for profit. I lay responsibility on those that order these wars and those that choose to fight in them. One cannot survive without the other.
So this memorial day, I will memorialize the fallen soldier. Not for their honored sacrifice for some noble cause. But rather for their ignorance to their senseless sacrifice for the greedy war profiteers. This memorial day, I will teach my children that it is not patriotic to honor the senseless deaths of young men and women, and also to resist the peer pressure and propaganda that tries to warp reality by convincing people to stand and honor the flag that sent the men and women to their deaths in the name of greed.
No box, you cannot separate the warrior from the war.
No you're wrong Cicero... YOU cannot separate the warrior from the war... Because if you do... your entire premise goes out the window.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The Anti Govt crowd can' stand that most of America honors our veterans and remembers their sacrifice on Memorial day.
Hard as they try, the crybabies will have no effect on the day. Maybe the 'haters' should join in the parade... carry a banner saying "AMERICA SUCKS", or one saying "WE HATE OUR VETERANS"... they might learn something.
The supporters of death crying about the supporters of peace not honoring their assassins.
The entire world regards the US military as the biggest terrorist organization on Earth.
People wishing peace are not the haters.
You idiots that support homicidal maniacs are the haters of everyone the government tells you to hate.
Then the warrior has no free will. He/she is a slave to whatever war he/she is told to fight in. That's what I thought, order takers.
Cic... Are you as an American citizen responsible for wars fought by the United States of America?
My answer to that question is YES.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
If you DO 'respect their courage', then STFU and post that. Your politics has nothing to do with "Respecting their Courage".
You and your anti govt buddies are like a douchebag who complains about his MOM on MOTHERS DAY... Who slams the deceased while at their funeral... Who ridicules the bride at her wedding. That you don't get that fact, says much more about your group than your politics.
Protesting killings on a day honoring the slaughter of enemies as well as US military members is appropriate.
You telling protesters against death and destruction, to STFU, is the only inappropriate comment so far.
Your analogy of Mom being the equivalent to killers is as far from reality as you can get.
Mom's give life.
You support killing people who have never harmed you or anyone you know or likely will ever know.
Yeah, I'm as responsible for foreign wars as Obama is for targeting conservative organizations. Remember, like stealing gum? I guess you are responsible for the targeted audits of conservative groups if you feel you are responsible for troop deployment. Box's amazing logic.
He sure does a lot of dancing for a simple question. I'm not really sure if his answer was a yes or a no.
IMO, as American citizens we are all responsible for wars fought by our country. I as a citizen elect those who will take us to war and have the power to petition them to make my opinions known.
Cic seems to see war as a totally military issue... as if the civilians had no part in it. Cicero's answer to war is to put the blame entirely on some lowly private serving in a war zone... and doing so absolves Cicero of all responsibility.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
No, I'm not responsible for wars. If wars were conducted based on direct democracy they wouldn't be waged.
As I suspected. Cicero absolves himself from all wars because he doesn't get to vote for them... Just like everything else in our Republica... that is how the system of government is set up. We all vote for legislators who then decide things like taxes and wars.
Cicero wants to blame...he wants to point his finger and say..."YOU MARINE... YOU PERSONALLY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS WAR."
(I wonder if Cicero blames the IRS agent who audits his tax form, for the tax system in this country. "If the IRS man just refused to take my taxes... there would be no taxes!" )
Of course other than his vote, that Marine has no choice in if or where he fights the country's wars... but as long as Cicero can point his finger... he is absolved of all guilt and responsibility. Pretty lame.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Then you are living in a closet if you don't realize the importance of having our military and the function they serve outside of actual combat and what the value of their presence is. It's sad that most (and I don't think you are necesarily one of them), can only view the Military as murderers and sole pupose is to kill those who do no harm to the US.....those people live in a very small world inside their very small head and cannot venture outside of that stupidity zone.
The military can claim whatever purpose they want, but the reality is that they simply create more enemies that will terrorize us back.
Speaking with a London accent, holding a knife and a meat cleaver and with his hands dripping with blood, he said: “We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone. Your people will never be safe. The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying by British soldiers every day.
“We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. I apologise that women had to witness this today but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don’t care about you. Do you think David Cameron is going to get caught in the street when we start busting our guns? Do you think your politicians are going to die?
“No, it’s going to be the average guy like you, and your children. So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back so we, so you can all live in peace.”
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