and bring them home NOW.

Where is the memorial day for all the taxpayers who have suffered and financed the country?

Freedom isn't free.  We honor those who gave their lives in defense of our great country and its constitution and our freedom.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Freedom isn't free.  We honor those who gave their lives in defense of our great country and its constitution and our freedom.

And I'm free to not honor people who kill, making enemies around the world, in my name.

Once again, I see that you are limited pro-life.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

And I'm free to not honor people who kill, making enemies around the world, in my name.

Once again, I see that you are limited pro-life.

Yah, we already know about your hatred because of your rejection.

Here's the great thing about this....those who wore the uniform and wear the uniform

defend the right to make it possible for you to be free to not honor!

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Freedom isn't free.  We honor those who gave their lives in defense of our great country and its constitution and our freedom.

Apparently US freedom cost more than the next 15 countries combined defense spending.

Quoted from joebxr

Yah, we already know about your hatred because of your rejection.

The man that supports killing people that never did anything to any American, calling the man of peace a hater.

Quoted from joebxr

those who wore the uniform and wear the uniform

defend the right to make it possible for you to be free to not honor!

The killers can say whatever they choose, except, they are not allowed to claim that they are doing it for me.

I'm pro-life.

You homicide lovers are not.

I support pro-choice, the same as God does.  He gives everyone free will.

I chose peace.

Others chose to kill for pay based on the words of another person.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

The man that supports killing people that never did anything to any American, calling the man of peace a hater.

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The killers can say whatever they choose, except, they are not allowed to claim that they are doing it for me.

I'm pro-life.

You homicide lovers are not.

I support pro-choice, the same as God does.  He gives everyone free will.

I chose peace.

Others chose to kill for pay based on the words of another person.

So Mr. No-It-All...you have factual evidence that I killed people! You can prove what you say!
You bravely hide in cyber space....you have my PM. I know you won't say these same lies
to anyone when you are face to face with them. You've accused me of horrible atrocities
and I do not take that lightly. Then you wonder why I dislike you....think about it and it just might register!

Quoted from joebxr

So Mr. No-It-All...you have factual evidence that I killed people! You can prove what you say!
You bravely hide in cyber space....you have my PM. I know you won't say these same lies
to anyone when you are face to face with them. You've accused me of horrible atrocities
and I do not take that lightly. Then you wonder why I dislike you....think about it and it just might register!

I never said you personally. Just the brotherhood that you joined.

Your know full well that your military career is public knowledge on the web.

Your actions of being a member of the military organization, that has killed uncountable numbers of
people. including illegal massacres, makes you a supporter of those who kill for pay.

Just as my being an American makes me guilty of supporting those who kill in my name.

I, however, do so under protest and also under penalty of imprisonment if I fail to do so.

That's quite a bit different from being a willing member of the paid military.

You taking offense at my comments of spitting on baby killers also leads readers to think
that you side with the baby killers, and not with the side of peace.

Stop defending killers and you won't be offended when I speak out against them.

You side with the killers over the people who want peace.

You side with the government over people who want a government under control of the people.

Try siding with your heart, not your programming.

It's never too late to realize that you have supported the wrong side for far too long.

The military does nothing but create enemies.

That's it. Nothing else. Sure they make claims of spreading Democracy.

Spreading and defending freedom.

All propaganda. All the time.

Jump up and down, foam at your keyboard, it will never make me believe that military deaths
solve anything.

Then we must bow our collective heads and honor those who died with honor?

What the fukk are we, Klingons?

I am not.

Their deaths were not honorable.

The deaths of their enemies were deplorable.

Killing people to persuade them to do what the American government wants is not an honorable action.

The American government should not be running anyone's lives.

The American people should be running the government, not being financial slaves to them.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Freedom isn't free.  We honor those who gave their lives in defense of our great country and its constitution and our freedom.

we honor their choice

Quoted from joebxr

So Mr. No-It-All...you have factual evidence that I killed people!

I said support.

But you, the Marines, did kill people.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Freedom isn't free.  We honor those who gave their lives in defense of our great country and its constitution and our freedom.

Freedom, is in fact, free.

There was no offense committed against us since WW2.  
You can't defend against no offense against us.
That's just called offensive attacking.

Tell me how Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya committed offenses against any American citizen, requiring our defense?

It is not honorable to initiate the first strike.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Freedom, is in fact, free.

There was no offense committed against us since WW2.  
You can't defend against no offense against us.
That's just called offensive attacking.

Tell me how Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya committed offenses against any American citizen, requiring our defense?

It is not honorable to initiate the first strike.

You need to brush up on your history.  In each of those cases, the United States did NOT "initiate the first strike."

North Korea invaded South Korea and we (with U.N. coalition) responded to defend South Korea.

Vietnam was engaged for a long time in a civil war that pitted the Communist north against the more democratic or at least western-leaning south.  

Iraq human rights violations, breaking U.N. resolutions and a variety of other things including aiding and abetting terrorists.  Saddam Hussein and his sons were using chemical weapons (a w.m.d.) on their own people and engaged in other brutal behavior.  I really don't care whether they had or did not have nuclear weapons.  I am very happy that he was toppled from power and brought to justice by his people.

Afghanistan - I guess you must have slept through 9-11 and were also unaware of the Taliban's brutal repression of its people and support of international terrorism.

Libya - personally, I think the Obama administration mishandled the whole "Arab Spring" situation so I am not going to defend our involvement in that country .. except to say that we should have made Qadhafi "go away" a long time ago by any means possible  (covert .. special forces .. whatever).

And finally, I disagree with your assessment about the cost of freedom.  I am surprised that someone who claims to be a "libertarian" values freedom so cheaply.   But then again, I have never met a libertarian who actually came across as other than an aging, pot-smoking anarchist hippie.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

North Korea invaded South Korea and we (with U.N. coalition) responded to defend South Korea.

So you admit that it was not in fact about defending our(American) freedom.

There was no threat to America.

American government chose to become the world police and create millions of new enemies
who hate America because of these actions alone.

I reaffirm my statement that all the deaths solved nothing.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Vietnam was engaged for a long time in a civil war that pitted the Communist north against the more
democratic or at least western-leaning south.  

So you also admit here,  that it was not in fact about defending our(American) freedom.

There was no threat to America. America chose to topple a government.

American government chose to become the world police and create millions of new enemies
who hate America because of these actions alone.

I reaffirm my statement that all the deaths solved nothing.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Iraq human rights violations, breaking U.N. resolutions and a variety of other things including aiding and abetting terrorists.  Saddam Hussein and his sons were using chemical weapons (a w.m.d.) on their own people and engaged in other brutal behavior.  I really don't care whether they had or did not have nuclear weapons.  I am very happy that he was toppled from power and brought to justice by his people.

So you also admit here,  that it was not in fact about defending our(American) freedom.

There was no threat to America. America chose to topple another government.

American government chose to become the world police and create millions of new enemies
who hate America because of these actions alone.

I reaffirm my statement that all the deaths solved nothing.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Afghanistan - I guess you must have slept through 9-11 and were also unaware of the Taliban's
brutal repression of its people and support of international terrorism.

9-11? Those were Saudis.

Once again, you also admit here,  that it was not in fact about defending our(American) freedom.

There was no threat to America. America chose to attack someone based on the words of others.

American government again chose to become the world police and create millions of new enemies
who hate America because of these actions alone.

I reaffirm my statement that all the deaths solved nothing.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Libya - personally, I think the Obama administration mishandled the whole "Arab Spring" situation so I am not going to defend our involvement in that country .. except to say that we should have made Qadhafi "go away" a long time ago by any means possible  (covert .. special forces .. whatever).

So you also admit here,  that it was not in fact about defending our(American) freedom.

There was no threat to America. America chose to help topple another government.

American government once again, chose to become the world police and create millions of new enemies
who hate America because of these actions alone.

I reaffirm my statement that all the deaths solved nothing.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

And finally, I disagree with your assessment about the cost of freedom.  I am surprised that someone
who claims to be a "libertarian" values freedom so cheaply.

Really? Freedom is an idea, a value to live by.

An existence of non-hostile mutual cooperation.

Freedom isn't an American value. It' belongs to the world.

Where is their freedom to not be crushed, toppled and enslaved by US imperialism
and corporate takeover of their lands?

Somehow freedom has been perverted by America to mean a huge body count that creates
massive hatred of us. Thereby creating what we call terrorists, that seek our destruction, even
at the risk of their own.

We invaded each of these governments to spread American corporate control worldwide.

The only freedom involved was the freedom we crushed out of each of these nations.

Not one death solved anything.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, hardly successful change.

Depleted Uranium contamination, mine fields and massive rebuilding will be their futures
for generations as they all agree to hate the US.

Viet Nam was a success since we lost and they decided their own future.

That is if you can call massive body counts a success.

Not one death solved anything, and in almost every invasion by the US, not a single American
was ever harmed before we invaded.

There was no threat to our freedom needing defending.

Each dead enemy created 10 new enemies.

We have succeeded in being the most hated government on Earth ever to exist.

When the American government finished it's own genocide of the Native of North America,
it sought to spread it's manifest destiny policies worldwide.

We are the most violent country ever to exist.

They don't hate us because of our freedoms.

They hate us because of what we have done to the world.

Honor?

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

You need to brush up on your history.  In each of those cases, the United States did NOT "initiate the first strike."

Korea never struck the US first.

Viet Nam never initiated the first strike.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, each never initiated the first strike.

You are clearly deluded by the disease of patriotism.