The economy of New York City is the biggest regional economy in the United States and the second largest city economy in the world after Tokyo
At $1.28 trillion, the NY metro is equivalent to the 13th largest nation in the world, close in scale to Canada ($1.57 trillion). Its gross metropolitan product is bigger than Australia's $1.23 trillion GDP and South Korea's $1 trillion, and just under India's ($1.6 trillion).
They don't need upstate, we need them.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Actually, I think we could live without New York City. Let's try it for 20 or 30 years and see how it works out.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Actually, I think we could live without New York City. Let's try it for 20 or 30 years and see how it works out.
I'm sure we would do just fine without NYC......at DC to the list as well.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
New York City does provide the convicted criminals to fill all those prisons upstate --- and the unconvicted criminals fill the elective and the high paid politically appointed State government jobs.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
hence,,,it's OK to flood the farmers and the rednecks from upstate....NYC needs their power/water....they apparently are at the top of the pyramid because they like their shackles
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Red vs Blue If NY State were split into Upstate/Downstate, the 2012 presidential election would have still be won in both areas by Barack H Obama.
Now for the $$$. The truth is... DOWNSTATE PAYS UPSTATES BILLS.
NYC and surrounding suburbs paid about $4.1 billion more to Albany in taxes and fees than the state returned in spending for education, health care, transit and other services in 2009-10. For the nearby suburban counties (Nassau, Suffolk, Rockland and Westchester), it was $7.9 billion more in taxes than came back in spending,
Where did the extra DOWNSTATE $12 billion go? North and west, up the Hudson River and along the Thruway corridor to UPSTATE regions.
The state’s largest source of non-federal revenue, the personal income tax, is particularly concentrated Downstate. New York City and its suburbs represent 64 percent of state residents, but around 80 percent of the income tax.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I have seen different reports over the years that have had varying conclusions about who gets more out of the relationship - upstate vs. downstate --- and it really isn't a simple equation to calculate. There have been several attempts by NYC to separate from upstate (one most notably led by Mayor John Lindsay) and in each case they determined that NYC would lose more ((state $$ wise) by separating from upstate than it would gain.
For example, downstate produces more criminals who are then housed in prisons upstate. This skews the "where the tax dollars are spent" in any study because while the tax dollars to house those prisoners is spent upstate it is really being spent to deal with a problem generated downstate. If upstate were a separate state, we could charge downstate to house their prisoners or let downstate find a few billion dollars to build new prisons down there.
Another example, the state university system has most of its campuses upstate and all those downstate students come upstate for state subsidized education. Again, skewing the "where the tax dollars are spent study." If we were a separate state we could charge those downstate students higher Out of State Tuition rates and/or close some of the college facilities.
Also, much of the state bureaucracy housed in Albany and other places upstate is needed only because we have to service downstate needs. Cut downstate off and we could reduce the state workforce substantially.
Power and water are two things that we produce upstate and sell to downstate at reduced rates. If we were separate states, we raise the rates on both.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
I have seen different reports over the years that have had varying conclusions about who gets more out of the relationship - upstate vs. downstate --- and it really isn't a simple equation to calculate. There have been several attempts by NYC to separate from upstate (one most notably led by Mayor John Lindsay) and in each case they determined that NYC would lose more ((state $$ wise) by separating from upstate than it would gain.
For example, downstate produces more criminals who are then housed in prisons upstate. This skews the "where the tax dollars are spent" in any study because while the tax dollars to house those prisoners is spent upstate it is really being spent to deal with a problem generated downstate. If upstate were a separate state, we could charge downstate to house their prisoners or let downstate find a few billion dollars to build new prisons down there.
Another example, the state university system has most of its campuses upstate and all those downstate students come upstate for state subsidized education. Again, skewing the "where the tax dollars are spent study." If we were a separate state we could charge those downstate students higher Out of State Tuition rates and/or close some of the college facilities.
Also, much of the state bureaucracy housed in Albany and other places upstate is needed only because we have to service downstate needs. Cut downstate off and we could reduce the state workforce substantially.
Power and water are two things that we produce upstate and sell to downstate at reduced rates. If we were separate states, we raise the rates on both.
The state prisons and state schools are paid for, as you point out, by DOWNSTATE. The jobs and the taxes they produce benefit UPSTATE. You made my point... Downstate subsidizes Upstate.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Upstate has the majority of the recources - water, farmland, and energy resources. The down state economy is almost nothing but jobs that push paper. I would much rather be resource rich than paper currency rich. If(when) the market collapse and the dollar is reduced funny money, Wall St. investors and bankers will have zero value.
It's the age old question, if you were stranded on a desert island, what would you rather have, clean drinking water or one million dollars?
Upstate has the majority of the recources - water, farmland, and energy resources. The down state economy is almost nothing but jobs that push paper. I would much rather be resource rich than paper currency rich. If(when) the market collapse and the dollar is reduced funny money, Wall St. investors and bankers will have zero value.
It's the age old question, if you were stranded on a desert island, what would you rather have, clean drinking water or one million dollars?
Not being stranded on a desert island, and with no chance of that happening any time soon... Lets ask the question... Would you rather have clean drinking water AND a million dollars?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Not being stranded on a desert island, and with no chance of that happening any time soon... Lets ask the question... Would you rather have clean drinking water AND a million dollars?
Manhattan is virtually a desert island. They have very little resources. They import nearly all their resources.
Manhattan is virtually a desert island. They have very little resources. They import nearly all their resources.
As well as funding much of the Upstate Economy. Thank you Manhattan!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
As well as funding much of the Upstate Economy. Thank you Manhattan!
Another market collapse and that funding goes away. It's only paper. Art, fashion, entertainment and the stock market won't be funding the state, it will be crops, energy resources and other natural resources.
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New York City does provide the convicted criminals to fill all those prisons upstate --- and the unconvicted criminals fill the elective and the high paid politically appointed State government jobs. 
