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Box A Rox
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"Climate Change Deniers in Congress"—in their own words



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The topic should be: Let's all assume there is climate change...The question is, WHAT can be done about to truly make a difference???

The answer? not much.. Even if we stop all fossil use tomorrow, most of the scientific predictions don't change.
Whenever they talk about "fixing" climate change, money is ALWAYS in the paragraph..money from rich countries to poor ones...ALWAYS.. except when it comes to China. How China is still considered a developing country is beyond me.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Quoted from 55tbird
The topic should be: Let's all assume there is climate change...The question is, WHAT can be done about to truly make a difference???

The answer? not much.. Even if we stop all fossil use tomorrow, most of the scientific predictions don't change.
Whenever they talk about "fixing" climate change, money is ALWAYS in the paragraph..money from rich countries to poor ones...ALWAYS.. except when it comes to China. How China is still considered a developing country is beyond me.


Make Henry Ford and Exxon deal with it.

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I'm still waiting for the ice age that Hansen predicted in the 70's.
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I'm still waiting for the ice age that Hansen predicted in the 70's.

that was another money grab (scam) by the  tree huggin, greenie, pot smokin hippies!!!




When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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If we want to get rid of "fossil fuels" all we need to do is throw all the extreme left wing nuts out of their government positions -- they have been in office so long that they have become fossilized and 99% of what they say is much like gaseous excretions.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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A recent video from a President Obama-aligned group is under fire from fact-checkers for claiming hundreds of House members voted to call climate change a "hoax" -- namely, because they didn't.

The video from Organizing for Action cleverly splices together quotes from Republican climate change skeptics while building up to the factoid about the vote, which was on an amendment to a broader bill in 2011.

The video then includes the following text: "Number of House members who voted in 2011 that climate change was a 'hoax': 240."

The amendment, though, did not include the word hoax, and the circumstances of the vote were far more complicated than the video portrayed. FactCheck.org and The Washington Post have both called out the claim as inaccurate, with the Post giving it four "Pinocchios," which is the worst score for the truthfulness the paper gives out.

"In this case, the Obama group has twisted the meaning of a relatively minor amendment -- which was clearly intended to become fodder for future campaign ads," the Post wrote.

The amendment in question was introduced by Democrats, in the course of debate over a Republican bill that dealt with regulation, not the science of climate change itself. The Republican bill was aimed at barring the EPA from regulating carbon dioxide and other gases and giving that power to Congress.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....-vote/#ixzz2SHfb9B4d
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Quoted from 55tbird
The topic should be: Let's all assume there is climate change...The question is, WHAT can be done about to truly make a difference???

The answer? not much.. Even if we stop all fossil use tomorrow, most of the scientific predictions don't change.
Whenever they talk about "fixing" climate change, money is ALWAYS in the paragraph..money from rich countries to poor ones...ALWAYS.. except when it comes to China. How China is still considered a developing country is beyond me.


climate change WILL HAPPEN....historically if JUST DOES.....we are rain drops on the earth...our effect? maybe the
dinosaurs farted themselves to extinction and maybe we will too.....

that is,,,before the mother ship shows up to pick us up....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Quoted from 55tbird
The topic should be: Let's all assume there is climate change...The question is, WHAT can be done about to truly make a difference???


Naturally they would raise taxes on whatever these frauds consider the cause of "climate change".  It's brilliant, they are convincing people of a tax on weather.


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Let me begin by saying that I believe that the climate is changing -- it has ALWAYS been changing.  Sea levels have risen and fallen, desert regions used to be jungle, areas far north of ours used to have warmer temperatures thousands and tens of thousands of years ago, heck - the valley that Albany-Schenectady and Troy is in was once covered by a lake and Indian Ladder had a massive water fall ---- so yes -- climate is changing .. it ALWAYS has been changing.

Next - I will say that everyone who is reasonably intelligent would agree that humans have polluted our environment and that we should make reasonable efforts to reduce pollution and - as much as possible - clean up from our past mistakes.

Third - It has been proven that some people in the "Global Warming Movement" are making lots of money on creating hysteria.  Al Gore is one of those benefiting from the hysteria.  He inherited his multi-millions from his family's petrochemical industry investments, still makes millions off those investments and makes millions more selling carbon credits and being paid huge speaking fees to push his inconvenient lies.

Fourth - It has been proven that some scientists "fudged" the truth in their research to get the results that they wanted.

Fifth - As mentioned by some others on this thread and others, not all scientists believe that the world is warming .. some believe it is heading towards another ice age .. and still others believe that  this is either just part of ongoing cycles of warming and cooling and/or a slight warming after a volcanic-activity produced cool period which began in the 19th century.

Finally, - I would argue that we haven't been allowed to have a real rational and reasonable discussion of the issue because the extremists on the left DEMAND that either one agrees 100% or face being ridiculed and berated.   ( How dare anyone disagree with the extreme leftists?  That seems to be the pattern on EVERY issue -- agree with them or else.)

Oh - and if the extreme leftists believe that sea levels are rising why in heck are they approving billions of dollars in Federal dollars  - our tax dollars - to rebuild those areas along the coast that will only be flooded again and again (if there predictions are accurate) ??????????   It would be more logical to use the money to relocate those people far away from the coast and to higher ground.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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I would have to say that DVOR and I agree....interesting

politically it's a voter hot topic VIA FEAR....SHAME SHAME SHAME ON OUR LEADERS FOR BRINGING BACK THE DARK AGES.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Carbon Dioxide Hits Record Mark
Carbon-dioxide levels in the atmosphere surpassed 400 parts per million for the first time since
the U.S. government began recording the concentration of the gas in the air, and likely
the first time in millions of years.

The last time it reached 400 parts per million was in the epoch called the Pliocene
at least 3 million years ago, when sea levels may have been as much as 60 to 80
feet higher than they are today.
For all of human civilization, carbon-dioxide levels have hovered around
280 parts per million
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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In a surprise, CO2 emissions fall to 20-year low in U.S.
By James Woodcock, AP
Mainly because power plants have switched from coal to natural gas, climate-changing carbon dioxide emissions hit an unexpected 20-year low earlier this year, the Associated Press reports.

AP cites a "little-noticed technical report" released earlier this month by the U.S. Energy Department. It stated that CO2 emissions from January through April hit 1992 levels, a "surprising turnaround," AP writes.

AP says it contacted environmental experts, scientists and utility companies "and learned that virtually everyone believes the shift could have major long-term implications for U.S. energy policy."

Although conservation, the sluggish economy and wider use of renewable energy contributed to the decline, low-priced natural gas was the prime factor, the Energy Information Agency found. The speed of the electric-power industry's switch from coal to gas surprised just about everyone.

Despite the good news here, coal use and CO2 emissions are rising worldwide. And natural gas still emits carbon dioxide, though CO2 emissions from natural gas in the United States were down in the first quarter.

"Natural gas is not a long-term solution to the CO2 problem," Roger Pielke Jr., a climate expert at the University of Colorado, told AP.

The portion of the nation's electricity that comes from coal has fallen to its lowest level since World War II.

Today in Louisville, Ky., natural gas was on the agenda at a major coal conference: "Natural Gas: Is the Threat to Coal Sustainable?"   http://content.usatoday.com/co.....p;   
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Scientific Consensus... Cause of Climate Change: Humans

A survey of thousands of peer-reviewed papers in scientific journals has found 97.1% agreed
that climate change is caused by human activity.


The survey considered the work of some 29,000 scientists published in 11,994 academic papers.
Of the 4,000-plus papers that took a position on the causes of climate change only 0.7% or
83 of those thousands of academic articles, disputed the scientific consensus that climate change
is the result of human activity, with the view of the remaining 2.2% unclear.



http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Science isn't determined by consensus.  That is faith, just like religion.

PRINCETON, NJ -- More than 9 in 10 Americans still say "yes" when asked the basic question "Do you believe in God?"; this is down only slightly from the 1940s, when Gallup first asked this question.


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