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Chechnya: "We Will Make You Feel What We Feel"
April 8, 2010

Chechen suicide bombers hit Moscow's subway last week, killing 39 and injuring over 70. Chechen suicide bombers in Dagestan killed twelve, mostly policemen. There were further attacks in the region.
The North Caucasus was again at a boil.

The Moscow subway attacks were reportedly staged by two 'black widows' - wives or daughters of Chechen independence fighters killed or raped by the Russians (Russians call them `Islamic terrorists' and `bandits'). They took their revenge in Moscow last week, as often in recent years.

Chechen are Russia's nemesis. Even the notoriously brutal Russian mafia fears the ferocious Chechen, and for good reason.

Last year, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin proudly proclaimed that resistance to Russian rule in the North Caucasus had been eliminated. The region was pacified, he claimed.

Last week's bloody attacks seriously rattled Russians and left the Kremlin deeply embarrassed and enraged.

The latest Chechen leader, Doku Umarov - all his predecessors were liquidated by Russia - claimed from his hideout in the Caucasus mountains that the subway attacks were reprisal for the recent killing of Chechen civilians by Russian security forces.

He warned Moscow, "we will make you feel what we feel."

In recent years, Chechen 'black widows' have brought down two civilian airliners. Other Chechen hijacked an entire Moscow theater, and derailed the "Alexander Nevsky" Express that runs from Moscow to St. Petersburg.

Chechen are a tiny but fierce North Caucasian mountain people of Indo-European origin. They, and other Muslim Caucasian tribes, such as Dagestanis and Cherkass (Circassians), have battled Russian imperial rule for the past 300 years.

In 1877, Imperial Russia killed 40% of the Chechen population of about 220,000. Four hundred thousand Cherkass were expelled.

Stalin, from neighboring Georgia, hated Chechen. He divided Chechnya, creating the republic of Ingushetia. Then, in July 1937, his secret police, NKVD, shot 14,000 Chechen.

In 1944, Stalin ordered the entire Chechen people rounded up and shipped in cattle cars to his Siberian concentration camps or dumped to perish into icy fields. Other Muslims followed: Ingush, Tatars, Karachai, Balkars, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Tajiks.

Neither bullets nor gas chambers were needed in Stalin's death camps. A third of the prisoners died each year from cold, starvation or disease in the concentration camps. In all, some 2.5 million Soviet Muslims were murdered by Stalin, 'the Breaker of Nations,' including half of the entire Chechen people.

In my new book, American Raj, I entitle the section on the Chechen, "Genocide in the Caucasus."
Gulag survivors filtered back to Chechnya. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Chechen demanded independence like the Soviet republics.

Instead, Boris Yeltsin's government invaded Chechnya, killing some 100,000 Chechen civilians through massive carpet bombing and shelling. Chechen leader Dzhokar Dudayev was assassinated, reportedly thanks to telephone homing equipment supplied Moscow by the US National Security Agency.

President Bill Clinton actually lauded Boris Yeltsin's as "Russia's Abraham Lincoln."

Incredibly, Chechen fighters managed to defeat Russia's army and won de facto independence.
But in 1999, apartment buildings in Russia were bombed, killing some 200 people, and creating a national panic.
Chechen 'terrorists' were immediately blamed. But there was disturbing evidence that government agents staged the bombing to justify invading Chechnya.

Moscow media reported that a group of Federal Security Service ( FSB - the successor to the KGB's internal security service) agents were caught red-handed planting explosives in an apartment building. They claimed the explosives were merely bags of "sugar," part of a "test."

An ex-FSB agent, Alexander Litvinenko, joined other critics in accusing the government of a false flag operation in staging the attacks to justify a new war against the Chechen. In 2006, Litvinenko was poisoned with radioactive polonium-210 in London.

Litvinenko also accused the Kremlin of being behind the murder of the crusading Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya. She told me before her death that she was marked for assassination by the government because of her stinging exposés of Russia's human rights violations in Chechnya.

FSB chief Vladimir Putin was catapulted into power by the anti-Chechen hysteria caused by the mysterious bombings. Two years later, the eerily similar 9/11 attacks would similarly turn George Bush from a non-entity into a hero, and provide a pretext for the US to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

Powerful Russian forces invaded and crushed the life out of Chechen resistance. All moderate Chechen leaders were assassinated, the last in Qatar in 2004, leaving mostly militant Islamists. A Moscow-installed Chechen puppet regime imposed a rein of terror upon the population, using torture, murder, mass reprisals, hostages and rape.

The world ignored these violations but paid rapt attention to another crime, the death of over 300 Russian child hostages in the still murky school massacre at Beslan.

The outside world totally ignored the death of another 100,000 Chechen after Moscow successfully branded them, `Islamic terrorists.' A quarter of the Chechen people, Muslims and Russians, died from 1991 until 2010, not counting Stalin's mass murder. But Chechen keep fighting on.

Moscow worries insurrection is spreading across its soft Caucasus underbelly. President Dimitri Medvedev made laudable efforts to humanize Russia's rule there. But after the subway atrocity, Putin and Medvedev vow to `destroy' remaining resistance in Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia.

Moscow should end this historical tragedy by granting Chechnya independence. Doing so is of course risky: it could spark demands by other Caucasian Muslims for independence, and enflame some of Russia's 20 million-strong Muslim minority - though most still appear content to live in the Russian Federation.

An independent Chechnya could also open another door to growing US penetration of the Caucasus and campaign to encircle Russia. The US and Russia came frighteningly close to a head-on clash over Georgia. The Cold War has not ended.

An independent Chechnya would be unstable and violent. But that is better than the savagery and atrocities that this terrible conflict continues to generate.

Modern Russia should set the Chechen free.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/eric-margolis/chechnya-we-will-make-you_b_530264.html


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appsrently they are actually from "DAGGYSTAN" which is a place that dark-skinned and dusky looking short men are from


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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appsrently they are actually from "DAGGYSTAN" which is a place that dark-skinned and dusky looking short men are from


Yea... "appsrently!"
And this from an alleged college graduate!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Actually, Box- that is a keyboard error. Take a look on your keyboard to determine the position of the "A" key on reference to the "S" key and maybe your illogical and classically untrained mind will understand.

Since I work (unlike you) for a living to the tune of 12 hours per day to pay for the millions of Americans who rely on my productivity so that they may wear pajamas all day, I make my visits here very brief and am unconcerned with keyboard and punctuation errors. However, BoxofNothingInYourHead, I have a college research paper that ran to 150 pages. However, it was dry reading and took 2 months to compile, and that required discipline and many hours in the library. I doubt you would understand or relate, as you seem much more inclined to "cut-n-paste."


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Actually, Box- that is a keyboard error. Take a look on your keyboard to determine the position of the "A" key on reference to the "S" key and maybe your illogical and classically untrained mind will understand.

Since I work (unlike you) for a living to the tune of 12 hours per day to pay for the millions of Americans who rely on my productivity so that they may wear pajamas all day, I make my visits here very brief and am unconcerned with keyboard and punctuation errors. However, BoxofNothingInYourHead, I have a college research paper that ran to 150 pages. However, it was dry reading and took 2 months to compile, and that required discipline and many hours in the library. I doubt you would understand or relate, as you seem much more inclined to "cut-n-paste."


"Jest thinnk, a feww yers ago I was a colege gradueat, now I'm nuttin but a has beeen,
but I onze rote a paper bout sommtin that took me 2 munths to rite!

Ain't I Grate!"


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Spelling police, another last tactic used by those with no argument, just as bad as the race card


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Spelling police, another last tactic used by those with no argument, just as bad as the race card


It is called "making a diversion."


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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It is called "making a diversion."


Diversion???
The topic is 'Chechen's - Who are they?'

Graham seems to have this need to be recognized for attending college.  He brings up his degree
at every opportunity.  (An inferiority complex no doubt)
Graham considers himself 'better' than those who have never attended college... you know people
like George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore,
Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Grover Cleveland and Harry S Truman.
Graham actually considers himself 'superior' to these Great Americans!  Funny huh!!!  

Graham's post:
"I have a college research paper that ran to 150 pages."
or
"for those like Box and JoeBxr who never attended college"
Of course Graham included Joe and I in a group of non college graduates... so Joe and I have as
our contemporaries:
Carl Bernstein
Ray Bradbury
Richard Branson, billionaire
John Jacob Astor, multimillionaire
Andrew Carnegie
Scott Carpenter, astronaut
Winston Churchill
Walt Disney
Bill Gates, billionaire
J. Paul Getty, billionaire
Barry Goldwater
Peter Jennings
Steve Jobs,
Ray Kroc, multimillionaire
Karl Rove,
Dave Thomas, billionaire
Ted Turner, billionaire
Steve Wozniak, billionaire
The list of people who Graham considers to be his 'inferior', along with Joe and I of course is
quite impressive!
But lets not forget...
Graham once wrote a paper that took him 2 months... Very Impressive Indeed!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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WAIT....he THINKS I don't have a college degree, but wrong as usual
about everything he says about me....he would be surprised to find out just what
my last degree was, because I promise he will never achieve that level!  
I just don't feel the need to justify myself to the class clown who claims
to have a degree and worked on a paper for two months....maybe he was being paper trained...2 mths is about right!!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Meanwhile, back at the topic....


I'm not getting the point of your post Cicero.

The atrocities between the Russians and Chechens are widely documented and disturbing to say the least.




"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
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Meanwhile, back at the topic....


I'm not getting the point of your post Cicero.

The atrocities between the Russians and Chechens are widely documented and disturbing to say the least.


Just information.  No point.  The alleged bombers are Chechen.  I made the assumption that some people may have a little intellectual curiosity and like a quick summary of Chechen history and may do a little more research.  

Sorry, no political angling.


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Here is what I don't get. Little children get harmed at a school in America, it's okay, Americans! We're coming for your weapons! Little children get taken hostage at a school in Beslan, it's okay, Chechans! Want to come live in the USA? We know your beef is only with Russia, so we will overlook the willingness to use a school on such a manner, what a great culture, here's some money!
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Quoted from Madam X
Here is what I don't get. Little children get harmed at a school in America, it's okay, Americans! We're coming for your weapons! Little children get taken hostage at a school in Beslan, it's okay, Chechans! Want to come live in the USA? We know your beef is only with Russia, so we will overlook the willingness to use a school on such a manner, what a great culture, here's some money!


Riyad-us Saliheen  (an Islamic jihadi suicide squad made up of mostly Chechen and Ingush )was behind the Beslan school massacre as well as a number of other horrific attacks in and around Russia.

Islam is the problem, not the ethnic background.





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Islam is the problem, not the ethnic background.



...and certainly not Russia's continual desire to suppress the Chechen people.  

American's were the problem that caused the revolutionary war, not King George.


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...and certainly not Russia's continual desire to suppress the Chechen people.  

American's were the problem that caused the revolutionary war, not King George.


Ethnic fighting has been happening in that part of the world for hundreds of years, I have no doubt that Chechen Jihadists would much rather kill a Russian first before anyone else.

However, Chechen Jihadi fighters have been caught/killed in just about every conflict done in the name of Islam such as Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Syria Yemen and Libya.

    





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