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GrahamBonnet
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bad things will happen to these people


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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"Misdemeanor menacing," we wouldn't want him to lose his job.
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Quoted from Libertarian4life
"Misdemeanor menacing," we wouldn't want him to lose his job.


He needs to be fired if this turns out to be correct, there is no place for hot headed people in the police department, they put citizens and their fellow cops in harms way, not to mention tarnish an already harshly stained police force.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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or his ability to own/carry a weapon for life
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Quoted from GrahamBonnet
bad things will happen to these people


Couldn't agree more!!

They'll be moving targets for the good-ole-boy-vengeance which still exist among many of the SPD.

Fortunately, these idiots are systematically kicking THEMSELVES off the force. Give it a few years, they will have cleaned their own house with stupidity.
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"You wouldn't expect any person of the law to pull out a gun, put it in someone's face, and tell them they're going to kill them, and jump back in the car," said Arnow, 36.


I would!  You are naive not to.


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If a regular citizen had pulled a gun on another motorist you can bet your life they would lose their pistol permit for life, and wouldn't be charged with a misdemeanor but a felony.
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I don't care if there was an internal investigation going on, this incident should have been made public when it happened, as it would have been if you or I were accused of such a thing. The only reason not to disclose it would be to see whether it could be made to go away.
It is unfair to the rest of the police to give even the appearance of impropriety as their jobs are hard enough without having a bad public image earned for them by their colleagues.
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shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Interesting how the SPD is becoming more and more divided....

While Kilcullen is upset at yet another cop doing wrong, the PBA Ritz is defending the actions of this cop.

Humm...I sense a little tug of war going on...this could get juicy!!!!


defending the money in the trunk


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I don't care if there was an internal investigation going on, this incident should have been made public when it happened, as it would have been if you or I were accused of such a thing. The only reason not to disclose it would be to see whether it could be made to go away.
It is unfair to the rest of the police to give even the appearance of impropriety as their jobs are hard enough without having a bad public image earned for them by their colleagues.


I knew about it 2 days after it happened....my friend said the kid is affected...

the driver following the rules of the 'system' to get a drivers license in AMERICA and a police officer just ruined it...

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Illegal Police Department Activity Threaten to Bankrupt Counties Nationwide
Posted on February 8, 2013 by Paraclete
Occupy Corporatism – by Susanne Posel

Local police departments (LPDs) across the nation are incorporated as specialized non-profits. Most LPDs are known to the Secretary of State in their respective state as an association which gives the impression to the average citizen that this is a union. However this is not the case.

The LPDs are contracted by the City Council to preform police services and securitize the city they are hired in. This is the exchange of a local government hiring a private security firm to stabilize the local population and generate revenue for the city through tickets, arrests and recording infractions. However, this does not include upholding local laws, as the County Sheriff’s Office is elected to take charge of.

The problem with this system is that the LPDs, being corporations, are subject to corporate law. And corporations fall into dissolution (i.e. the termination of the corporation) for various reasons quite often. When it is the LPD that dissolves; this becomes a question of legal authority over the citizens by the hired private security firm known as the LPD.

Corporations that dissolve are not allowed by law to conduct business. These same rules apply to the LPD that is actually a corporation hired by the local government or city council to preform police services.

For example, in the State of Oregon, over 12 LPDs are in dissolution. On the Secretary of State website, when a LPD is dissolved it is classified as “INA” or inactive. This includes LPDs in the following cities:

• Beaverton
• Canby
• Charleston
• Eugene
• Gresham
• King County
• Lake Oswego
• Lebanon
• Portland
• Sherwood
• Weston

According to corporate law, if a corporation dissolves, it must withdraw as a business entity. This means that once the LPD is dissolved, they cannot continue to perform police services for the city in which they were hired.

And in fact, should this be brought to the public, it might be common place (as it is in the State of Oregon) that LPDs are in dissolution and not legally allowed to conduct police services because they lack legal authority as a dissolved corporation.

It also stands that the local governments that are privy to this information would be involved in not only egregious corruption but are knowingly misleading the citizens of their towns and cities. Once the LPD is dissolved, from the date of dissolution, any arrest, ticket, or police service preformed is now an illegal act. It is tantamount to a citizen impersonating a police officer which as serious legal ramifications.

Should citizens become aware of this fact in their city – that their LPD is a corporation that has dissolved and is continuing to operate as if they have legal right to do so – there would be justified legal recourse for every citizen who had been arrested, jailed, forced to pay a ticket of any kind and forced to appear in municipal court under those circumstances (including court costs, attorney’s fees and fees attributed by the court).

In 2012, Louis F. Quijas, Assistant Secretary of theOffice for State and Local Law Enforcement (OSLLE), for the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS)explained the purpose of the OSLLE as a front “office that provided coordination and partnership with state, local, and tribal law enforcement.”

The OSLLE was recommended by the 9/11 Commission. It was created to “lead the coordination of DHS-wide policies relating to state, local, and tribal law enforcement’s role in preventing acts of terrorism and to serve as the primary liaison between non-Federal law enforcement agencies across the country and the Department.”

Intelligence is disseminated through OSLLE to LPDs or “non-Federal law enforcement partners” to keep information flowing through initiatives such as the “If You See Something, Say Something™”, the Blue Campaign, the Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting (SAR) Initiative (NSI), and the Department’s efforts in Countering Violent Extremism.

OSLLE consistently works with LPDs on education, actionable information, operations and intelligence for the purpose of their part in the operations of the DHS with regard to keeping “our homeland safe”.

OSLLE also works as a liaison between LPDs to maintain DHS leadership and considerations of “issues, concerns, and requirements of state, local, and tribal law enforcement during budget, grant, and policy development processes.”

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) upholds relationships with LPDs for the purposes of and participation with National Preparedness Grant Program that began this year.

To ensure that local police departments continue to meet the requirements of training from DHS, officers regularly attend the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers (FLETC) in Glynco, Georgia.

LPDs are focused through OSLLE and DHS to “remain vigilant and to protect our communities from all threats, whether terrorism or other criminal activities” as DHS expands its control over local law enforcement and the communities they oversee.

As stated in the DHS directive from the Office for State and Local Law Enforcement (SLLE), the assistant Secretary for SLLE has “the primary official responsible for leading the coordination of Department-wide policies related to the role of state, tribal, and local law enforcement in preventing, preparing for, protecting against, and responding to natural disasters, acts of terrorism and other man- made disasters within the US.”

This directive also sets guidelines of advocacy for DHS by the LPDs. Authorization of DHS to take over LPDs is given in Title 6 of the United States Code, Section 607, “Terrorism prevention”.

In 2008, the Bureau of Justice Statistics stated that LPD “make up more than two-thirds of the 18,000 state and local law enforcement agencies in the US” which translates to an estimated 12,501 law enforcement agencies. Of those LPDs, there are more than 461,000 sworn officers.

Last year President Obama signed an executive order (EO) that created the White House Homeland Security Partnership Council and Steering Committee which tied DHS to local partnerships, federal and private institutions “to address homeland security challenges.”

Members of the Steering Committee include:

• Department of State
• Department of US Treasury
• Department of Defense
• Department of Justice
• Department of Transportation
• Department of Veterans Affairs
• The Federal Bureau of Investigations

In 2011, Congress encouraged private sector “police companies” to replace law enforcement on the State and local level by coercing a new police protection insurance that would tack on a fee to citizens for the use of “police protection”.

This move was justified by having citizens pay for the police to be called to scenes as a “communal service” that is contractual just as any other service or good is paid for. As a customer, the citizen would tell 911 dispatch their insurance information for payment purposes to be billed after the police were deployed to the scene, or services were rendered.

Turning LPDs into private security firms that provide services to the public was the scheme behind privatizing law enforcement.

Under state government contract, private security firms preform law enforcement services. With legislative bodies on both the state and Congressional level supporting this change, private corporations enter into contractual agreements with city councils to provide armed security patrol. Just as a rent-a-cop is hired to secure private property, local police departments are masked rent-a-cops that were hired by local government to secure their city.

This fact has been hidden from public scrutiny and has added to the blending of social perception of what the police are and what they do so that police services are able to function without question. At the same time, citizens are expected to pay fees for these “services” that were once inherent to life in a structured town or city.

In early 2012, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released a reportentitled “Homeland Security and Intelligence: Next Steps in Evolving the Mission” which outlined in part on how to redirect efforts of the federal government from international terrorism toward home-grown terrorists and build a DHS-controlled police force agency that would control all cities and towns through the use of local police departments.

DHS maintains that “the threat grows more localized” which necessitates the militarization of local police in major cities in the US and the training of staff from local agencies to make sure that oversight is restricted to the federal government.

Private corporations have been parading as public servants policing cities and towns across America without the knowledge of the average citizen for quite some time. Although they wear the same badges as LPDs of the past, these private security firms are not there to uphold peace or enforce any laws and city ordinances. Just like any other corporation, they seek out opportunities to collect revenue for the benefit of the city that hired them.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Madam X - So when there is a report of incident they should report it before investigating it?
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Quoted from visitor
Madam X - So when there is a report of incident they should report it before investigating it?


he has a long history as does any human being...the difference is he's the 'expert gun carrying muscle'


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Quoted from Madam X
I don't care if there was an internal investigation going on, this incident should have been made public when it happened, as it would have been if you or I were accused of such a thing. The only reason not to disclose it would be to see whether it could be made to go away.
It is unfair to the rest of the police to give even the appearance of impropriety as their jobs are hard enough without having a bad public image earned for them by their colleagues.


How much of this cover-up was done by the Union versus the actual SPD??

I'm pretty sure we are all aware that the PBA and the various Unions in Schenectady (teachers/City workers, etc) hold the cards. It's what is killing us fiscally and morally. No one wants to question their methods and when Kilcullen makes a statement that this is an embarrassment...well...he becomes a moving target as well.

Keep questioning Madam...let's take back the power in the City. In my opinion, Kilcullen is a decent man trying to tear down a system which has been corrupt for decades. Let's see if he can last.
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Um, yeah, visitor, when there is a report of a police officer pulling a gun on a citizen it should be reported right away. If it turns out to be unfounded, that should be reported too. I would also like to point out that this was known to the public much sooner than it was reported. It gives people a very badimpression of Schenectady that we have rogue cops doing whatever the hell they want with higher-ups covering for them. I would personally like to seethat bad image dispelled, a lot of people work very hard at great expense to keep this city from going down the drain. The stakes are much too high tolet this kind of thing keep happening.
How this jackass gets dealt with has very heavy consequences. He really ought not to have that kind of power.
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