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humans are like the locust...those 'burbs' will be sh!t eventually


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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humans are like the locust...those 'burbs' will be sh!t eventually


Especially when sh!t like you moves in.





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Especially when sh!t like you moves in.



hahahahahahaha....you're cute


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Especially when sh!t like you moves in.



I should buy a home in your 'burb' and rent it out.....then watch from a distance and collect my rent


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Despite what some ignorant dumb a** he/she loser posts, the fact is that I have always acknowledged that Schenectady County has challenges but I also see that it still has many assets and many opportunities.  Just because I won't join the nayboob crowd who are like terrorists using words to tear down and destroy,  he/she and some others have chosen to villify me and launch their juvenile attacks on me, my family and, even, my parish.  

As I have said many times before, I won't back down and I won't give in to their negativity.  I remain optimistic and sincerely believe that Schenectady is on the right path and is beginning a renaissance.  I continue to believe that it is certainly better off today than it was 10 or so years ago.  And I unashamedly applaud the hard work of people like Ray Gillen, Judy Dagostino and a few others.  

Finally, political party has nothing to do with it -- I have always supported the PERSON and not the just the party.  Over the years, I have supported people from BOTH major parties -- people that were capable, honest, shared similar views/vision on key issues and ultimately had the best interests of the community (or district, state, or nation) at heart.  



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When you start paying Schenectady City and School taxes, let me know how that Renaissance is working for your checkbook.

Not only that, but just TRY to sell a property in Schenectady. Even the Realtors couldn't stomach the kool aide Gillen was trying to hand out.

The Downtown may look pretty when you take the 3 second drive-by (not paying taxes and free Plex money affords lots of pretty facades), but try living a few blocks up on the Hill or in MP....it's simply not habitable.

Take a walk in MP after church DV....you'll see the reality of Schenectady and how false your Renaissance theory really is.
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DVOR, when I post about the tax problems, I am not being negative or tearing anything down. The only tearing down has been done by the downtown crowd. Like M/C and others, I care about my city. I look at the problems, compare the to what other cities are going through, and try to come up with solutions. Not acknowledging what is blocking any improvement because it is inconvenient just makes things worse. The high taxes that BS and crew instituted to get a better bond rating were a death blow to an already struggling city. I could see the for sale signs sprouting like dandelions. The downtowncrowd doesn't acknowledge this because they only go downtown.
I would like the young families I meet to be able to move in as neighbors, and have nice homes. I don't want any more slumlords, criminals, or vacant, rotting houses. If that makes me negative, so be it, but trying to fix something awful doesn't qualify as negative in my book.
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I would like the young families I meet to be able to move in as neighbors, and have nice homes. I don't want any more slumlords, criminals, or vacant, rotting houses. If that makes me negative, so be it, but trying to fix something awful doesn't qualify as negative in my book.


Owner occupied homes are the best maintained homes.

Renters don't take pride like home owners do.


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As I have said many times before, I won't back down and I won't give in to their negativity.  I remain optimistic and sincerely believe that Schenectady is on the right path and is beginning a renaissance.  I continue to believe that it is certainly better off today than it was 10 or so years ago.  And I unashamedly applaud the hard work of people like Ray Gillen, Judy Dagostino and a few others.  





DV, you need to understand that we are not trying to "be" negative, we are not trying to "tear down and destroy."    But as you are not a homeowner and thus to do pay the taxes, you simply cannot relate to the burdens of people in the city.  Chris and I do not live in the city, I grew up there and she nearby. She loves the style of many of the houses, particularly in the Ardsley, Phoenix, Waverly, etc area but the taxes were ridiculous, even 15 years ago when we might otherwise have considered buying there.  Who would want to buy a house for !50,000 15 years ago and have it be worth only $100,000 today?   That's the fact in Schenectady.


Did you read what Madam X's wrote?  

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….. I am not being negative or tearing anything down. ….. Like M/C and others, …Not acknowledging what is blocking any improvement …. The high taxes that BS and crew instituted to get a better bond rating were a death blow …
I would like the young families I meet to be able to move in as neighbors, and have nice homes. …. If that makes me negative, so be it, but trying to fix something awful doesn't qualify as negative in my book.



DV, we are NOT being negative, we are being truthful and honest.   If we close our eyes to the negative, the negatives will always remain.  

You wrote (above) that the city is better off today than 10 years ago.   Please explain how.  Because new buildings have been built downtown or fixed up?   You do realize that even in that mere two block section still has no stores at which people can shop and buy things, still most of the total square footage is vacant, you realize that, right?   In ten years time, only a mere two blocks has had some remodeling/rebuilding/new building and still is not totally finished.  How long do you think it will take for the whole city to be fixed up.   Two blocks in 10 years.   At that rate, how many centuries will it take for the whole city to be fixed up?


You wrote:  
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I continue to believe that it is certainly better off today than it was 10 or so years ago.


Again, the physical appearance of a mere two blocks downtown of buildings owned mostly by the ultra rich is a difference.


Here, you wrote this:



And I unashamedly applaud the hard work of people like Ray Gillen, Judy Dagostino and a few others.  



Who have these people done hard work for?   What hard work have they done for the residents and homeowners in the city?  


You wrote:


I remain optimistic and sincerely believe that Schenectady is on the right path




The path that the city, county, and plex has been to spend tax dollars to build/remodel, then the path has been to permanently and completely exempt these properties from paying property and school taxes.   DV, when these property owners downtown don't have to pay their taxes themselves, their taxes have to be paid by others.  And the path that the city, county, plex has chosen is to impose, force this crushing financial burden on financially struggling homeowners, many of whom then can't afford to maintain their homes in the city.

You think we are being negative.  The opposite of negative is positive.  Can you engage in conversation and say what you believe is positive about financially struggling homeowners having to pay their own taxes PLUS the taxes of the politically connected millionaires downtown?   Can you tell us what is positive about home values dropping?   Can you tell us what is positive when people need to sell their home (job transfer, going into nursing home, etc), and they can't sell their house for what is still owed on it?  

It's easy to be optimistic and positive when one is not affected by the crushing tax burden or the drop in one's home value, and that is precisely the position you are in; you have no financial obligations of paying a mortgage, no are not experiencing increasing taxes, you don't have no financial obligations where you are trying to figure out how your are going to support your family and pay your own taxes and the taxes of the politically connected millionaires.  








Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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When you start paying Schenectady City and School taxes, let me know how that Renaissance is working for your checkbook.

Not only that, but just TRY to sell a property in Schenectady. Even the Realtors couldn't stomach the kool aide Gillen was trying to hand out.

The Downtown may look pretty when you take the 3 second drive-by (not paying taxes and free Plex money affords lots of pretty facades), but try living a few blocks up on the Hill or in MP....it's simply not habitable.

Take a walk in MP after church DV....you'll see the reality of Schenectady and how false your Renaissance theory really is.


You are entitled to your opinion -- even if it is wrong.  


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You are entitled to your opinion -- even if it is wrong.  



Please explain how his (and the rest of us) opinion is wrong, can you do that.   How about, that is not "opinion" but fact.  

Explain the facts about people ability to sell their homes in the city, can you tell us how we are wrong in our facts?

Can you show us how we are wrong about our claim of facts of home values falling?

Can you show us how we are wrong about our claim that lower income financially struggling homeowners in the city are paying their own property and school taxes AND the property and school taxes of the ultra rich politiclally connected downtown property owners?

Can you show us how we are wrong in our claim that the mayor must do a citywide reassessment so that homes are assessed at their true market value.






Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Owner occupied homes are the best maintained homes.

Renters don't take pride like home owners do.




Excellent points! To take this one step further....after paying the thousands upon thousands of dollars in City taxes, how much money do property owners really have to keep their homes up?

As a City taxpayer, I can't afford new siding when I'm paying through the nose on all my properties. Wanted to buy new trees this year, but trying to budget beautification versus paying the tax bill...well...what the heck.

If you bankrupt the taxpayers you will not allow them to revitalize their neighborhoods. It's just that simple.  
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Excellent points! To take this one step further....after paying the thousands upon thousands of dollars in City taxes, how much money do property owners really have to keep their homes up?

As a City taxpayer, I can't afford new siding when I'm paying through the nose on all my properties. Wanted to buy new trees this year, but trying to budget beautification versus paying the tax bill...well...what the heck.

If you bankrupt the taxpayers you will not allow them to revitalize their neighborhoods. It's just that simple.  


Owner occupied home owners should get a percent of their taxes exempted for money they
reinvest in their homes. If your taxes are $6,000/year and you invest more than $6,000 in
improvements, you should get a tax credit of 50%. Using this formula a person who pays
$6,000/year in taxes can avoid any taxes by investing $12,000/year. The community would
benefit by the taxable value of the home increasing along with the exemptions. Your assessed
value would increase equal to each dollar of tax exemption. After the first year the taxes on the
property would increase based on the new adjusted assessed value, which in this case would be
$6,000 in new assessed value. Ultimately this would be building a larger tax base and would
also build owner occupied confidence in their investment.

Sure the numbers could use some tweaking, but the idea will work. It would be the local
government doing something for the loyal resident home owners.

The assessed tax base would increase, and the owner occupied homes would get a break.

This would be a permanent 50% home owner equivalent of the 100% facade improvement grant program.

It's done for businesses and corporations every day.

They avoid paying any income tax at all by reinvesting all the profits.

They also get 100% matching grants for facade improvements.




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Quoted from rachel72
When you start paying Schenectady City and School taxes, let me know how that Renaissance is working for your checkbook.

Not only that, but just TRY to sell a property in Schenectady. Even the Realtors couldn't stomach the kool aide Gillen was trying to hand out.

The Downtown may look pretty when you take the 3 second drive-by (not paying taxes and free Plex money affords lots of pretty facades), but try living a few blocks up on the Hill or in MP....it's simply not habitable.

Take a walk in MP after church DV....you'll see the reality of Schenectady and how false your Renaissance theory really is.







You are entitled to your opinion -- even if it is wrong.   





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Please explain how his (and the rest of us) opinion is wrong, can you do that.   How about, that is not "opinion" but fact.  

Explain the facts about people ability to sell their homes in the city, can you tell us how we are wrong in our facts?

Can you show us how we are wrong about our claim of facts of home values falling?

Can you show us how we are wrong about our claim that lower income financially struggling homeowners in the city are paying their own property and school taxes AND the property and school taxes of the ultra rich politiclally connected downtown property owners?

Can you show us how we are wrong in our claim that the mayor must do a citywide reassessment so that homes are assessed at their true market value.






DV, please provide some documentation that proves that it's opinion and not fact.   Can you do that?   Can you?

Of course not as YOU are the one who is IGNORANT.  Remember, ignorant people cannot provide proof to dispute what others say.   You have not provided one teeny weeny shred of proof to dispute what we say.

You provide your personal opinion but you are too ignorant to support your opinions with facts.







Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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The he/she rodent is crying and stamping his/her feet like a little spoiled child -- angry that someone is ignoring him/her because he/she is an ignorant boor.   LOL


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