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So, AS USUAL, what you are saying is that acts of kindness and selflishness and honest perforamnce of duties by cops is only a facade and they are just as bad as the others...in other words your view is that all cops are bad! You have a simple philosophy....authority is bad, always, period.



I just say they ARE NOT GODS.....simple....not anymore important than a housekeeper/garbageman/mechanic etc etc...

functioning on the 'fear' of society as a whole requires them to be woven into that same said society....not just
showing up like superheros...or even as a nanny government cog....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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It's as simple as lumping everyone together, PERIOD.
It's as simple as distrust and disrespect for authority.
It's as simple as if they wear a uniform, they are bad.
He probably hates UPS, FEDEX, Post Office, etc. Afterall, they wear uniforms too.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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It's as simple as lumping everyone together, PERIOD.
It's as simple as distrust and disrespect for authority.
It's as simple as if they wear a uniform, they are bad.
He probably hates UPS, FEDEX, Post Office, etc. Afterall, they wear uniforms too.


disrespect is much different than question/ask

the superheros on domestic abuse response
the superheros taking in a strip show at their 'holiday party'

yes, everyone is human....which does require the need to question/ask etc....

resource officers in the public schools completely prepare the next generation to 'behave' all their lives.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I just say they ARE NOT GODS.....simple....not anymore important than a housekeeper/garbageman/mechanic etc etc...

Ahhh, but they are more important than a housekeeper trying to do police workl
They are more important than garbagemen doing police work
They are more important than mechaincs doing police work
THEY ARE NOT more important than other policemen doing police work
THEY ARE NOT superior to housekeepers/garbagemen/mechains/average Joe and Sally
THEY ARE NOT above the law...they are required to UPHOLD the law, no matter who the law breaker is...other cops included.
THEY ARE NOT "ALL" bad...bad is a small minority compared to good.



JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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disrespect is much different than question/ask I agree and you see there is a difference...some others do not.  They disrespect under the veil of questioning.

the superheros on domestic abuse response
the superheros taking in a strip show at their 'holiday party'

yes, everyone is human....which does require the need to question/ask etc....

resource officers in the public schools completely prepare the next generation to 'behave' all their lives.....




JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Quoted from joebxr
It's as simple as lumping everyone together, PERIOD.
It's as simple as distrust and disrespect for authority.
It's as simple as if they wear a uniform, they are bad.
He probably hates UPS, FEDEX, Post Office, etc. Afterall, they wear uniforms too.


WOW.....you missed the WHOLE point here!!! OMG!

So hitler would have been considered a hero if he fed and clothed ALL of his citizens and yet murdered the jews....because he had the authority to???? dontcha get it??????

Do you really believe EVERYTHING that is fed to you (by design) by your government via the LAME STREAM MEDIA??????

Don't you question ANYTHING??

ya better take those government issued aka LAME STREAM MEDIA'S rose colored glasses off!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Ahhh, but they are more important than a housekeeper trying to do police workl
They are more important than garbagemen doing police work
They are more important than mechaincs doing police work
THEY ARE NOT more important than other policemen doing police work
THEY ARE NOT superior to housekeepers/garbagemen/mechains/average Joe and Sally
THEY ARE NOT above the law...they are required to UPHOLD the law, no matter who the law breaker is...other cops included.
THEY ARE NOT "ALL" bad...bad is a small minority compared to good.




half the time they don't know exactly what the law is because until you are a criminal you are innocent until proven
guilty under the law...of which gets dished out in a court/judge/jury....

yes, they are trained in their specialty but are regarded by the policy makers/politicians as gods....

you know the podium talk...."if we cut funding here and here and here, the streets will become garbage dumps
of humans." --- That's not true nor is it the police officers fault that the entire slave/cast system is also against them
as they are humans trying to find value in their lives as society contributors, only to find the system's leaders
putting them in poor situations....YUP--like wars that mean NOTHING....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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WOW.....you missed the WHOLE point here!!! OMG!

So hitler would have been considered a hero if he fed and clothed ALL of his citizens and yet murdered the jews....because he had the authority to???? dontcha get it??????

Do you really believe EVERYTHING that is fed to you (by design) by your government via the LAME STREAM MEDIA??????

Don't you question ANYTHING??

ya better take those government issued aka LAME STREAM MEDIA'S rose colored glasses off!!!


WOW...is that the best impression of Cicero you can do?
Not good at all....
Dontcha get it.....NAH, I know you don't.


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half the time they don't know exactly what the law is because until you are a criminal you are innocent until proven
guilty under the law...of which gets dished out in a court/judge/jury....

yes, they are trained in their specialty but are regarded by the policy makers/politicians as gods....

you know the podium talk...."if we cut funding here and here and here, the streets will become garbage dumps
of humans." --- That's not true nor is it the police officers fault that the entire slave/cast system is also against them
as they are humans trying to find value in their lives as society contributors, only to find the system's leaders
putting them in poor situations....YUP--like wars that mean NOTHING....



and the same fallacy is told them as is told anyone who has to 'deal' with the human crap(we all generate a lot of it)....

'there's a place for you in heaven'

the biggest foundational lie ever told by a policy maker.....AS IF THEY ARE THE ELECTED GODS....

so you see, it's not really the police officer as much as it is their puppet masters....

as it will be when the Psyche MD gets a godhead ship to tell anyone what their worth is as a human...
national healthcare/gun laws etc....

connect the dots....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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i think that what cic is saying is that just because they save a dog....doesn't excuse their 'very bad behavior' and their  abuse of power and their greed for money. don't take a rocket scientist here!! its as simple as that!


Charles Manson was nice to a dog once.



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So, AS USUAL, what you are saying is that acts of kindness and selflishness and honest perforamnce of duties by cops is only a facade and they are just as bad as the others...in other words your view is that all cops are bad! You have a simple philosophy....authority is bad, always, period.


I'm saying acts of kindness, whether performed by a costumed government official or a private citizen make it no greater of an act of kindness.  If the residents of the home went back in to save their own pets, it wouldn't even have been mentioned in the paper.  

The greater point of my post is yes, AUTHORITY IS ALWAYS BAD.  This isn't about individual cops, but the institution itself.  The institutional rules require that a cop assert their authority over the private citizen.  That is the job they perform to collect their paycheck.

Whether it is Al Capone extorting money from me with physical threats of violence or the government doing it, it doesn't matter. It's YOU that believe threats of violence to force conformity and compliance to the will of an authority is perfectly fine.  You just pick and choose which authority you recognize.  

You would have problems with Al Capone extorting money from you at gun point, but will 'yes sir' an officer of the law if they arbitrarily pulls you over and demand you get out of your car because you may have violated a law that you are totally unaware that you violated.  And...If the officer felt it necessary to STRIP SEARCH you, you also would comply because non-compliance may result in a beat down since you were refusing to obey a LAWFUL order.  Yes, it is true, a police officer has the RIGHT to strip search a citizen if THEY deem it necessary for the their safety- no warrant necessary - only probable cause.  But hey, it's the law - just stand their and enjoy the feel up.

Yes, check out the strip search of the 21 year girl enjoying herself at a house party. Listen to the whole video, the officer feels here up before putting her in the car, then they start threatening her with a strip search because she was "mouthy" with the costumed gangster.  This is the America YOU LOVE.  This is JUSTICE.  This young lady should have OBEYED authority and NEVER try to show up a costumed 'agent of extortion' when the camera crew is around.  If you do, they will use the LAW to humiliate you by groping your body and sending you to jail for a full strip search. Look at her, I can tell she is a imminent threat to public safety and deserved everything she got!TIC


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JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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THEY ARE NOT above the law...they are required to UPHOLD the law, no matter who the law breaker is...other cops included.
THEY ARE NOT "ALL" bad...bad is a small minority compared to good.



They are above the LAW.  That is a complete lie.  They have the right to assault a private citizens for not following their demands, even if UNLAWFUL.  If an officer decides to detain and abuse a person, the person must accept the detainment and abuse and file a complaint AFTER the abuse has taken place.  If you resist an unlawful command, you will be charged with resisting or obstruction.  A police officer can grope a female while detain, and the female CANNOT resist and must wait until the officer is done groping and them file a complaint against the officer.  

As we witnessed in LA, the cops were running around the streets shooting at citizens and wounding them, and I have yet to see any of them charged with Assault With a Deadly Weapon.  Nope, just a ooops, we're sorry, but we'll buy you a new car.


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Cic has a problem with ALL Authority, not just the police.  For him it isn't politics... It's personal.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Cic has a problem with ALL Authority, not just the police.  For him it isn't politics... It's personal.  


Not at all, I voluntarily accept legitimate authority.  I have a boss at work, I accept his directions because of his position within the organization.  I have no problems keeping long term employment.  But my boss cannot detain me, or assault me, or strip search me.  

So I rephrase my previous post, not ALL authority is bad, there is voluntary authority that one can consent to - like following the policies of the company or organization you voluntarily join.


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