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Henry
October 23, 2015, 6:38pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Shadow
As I recall neither NY or Conn gun owners registered very many assault weapons so how good is the new law.


Yup the reports state that only 3-5% of gun owners in NY registered their guns, making the SAFE ACT one of the most disobeyed laws in the history of this country


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The ones that registered their guns were police officers or corrections officers, if they didn't they would lose their jobs because the law makes them a felon if the didn't.
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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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NYC and Gun LAWS

90% of all guns used in city crimes in 2011 came from out-of-state,
which was a 4% increase from the previous year.



Why would a criminal buy guns from out of state?
Why would he not just go to his local GunHugger shop and pick up one on his own?
BECAUSE NY HAS SOME GOOD GUN LAWS THAT PREVENT HIM FROM BUYING THEM IN NY!
(Of Course)
SO... if all states had the same gun laws as NYS, where would these criminals buy their guns???

Oh yea... guns don't kill people... @sshole states with lax gun laws kill people.


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Your theory worked so well with the drug laws and didn't work so well either when the government banned alcohol. Criminals don't give a damn about the feel good laws that the government passes.
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Your theory worked so well with the drug laws and didn't work so well either when the government banned alcohol. Criminals don't give a damn about the feel good laws that the government passes.


So...using your logic, NY criminals buy guns from out of state, at inflated prices...
just because they want to.  It has nothing to do with NY Gun Laws.

LMAO! DUHHHHH!


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As always you miss the point, you can't stop criminals from buying guns by passing feel good laws. NYS has only registered 3% to 5% of the assault weapons that are in NYS, even though NYS passed one of the toughest laws against guns in the country. Yes the price of guns has been greatly increased but they are still available. Did the strict laws keep alcohol from being produced, or drugs from entering the country using your logic?
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As always you miss the point, you can't stop criminals from buying guns by passing feel good laws. NYS has only registered 3% to 5% of the assault weapons that are in NYS, even though NYS passed one of the toughest laws against guns in the country. Yes the price of guns has been greatly increased but they are still available. Did the strict laws keep alcohol from being produced, or drugs from entering the country using your logic?


No YOU are missing the point.
If NY Criminals have to resort to importing guns into the state, at an inflated price...
It means NY Gun Laws Work
If you want a pistol in NY, you must apply for a pistol permit.
In no or weak gun law states... all you need is the cash$$$

Why do NY criminals buy out of state guns if NY gun laws don't work???
Why pay twice the price for a brand new pistol from out of state?
Why not buy the same gun here???
The answer obviously is that NY Gun Laws Work.
If they were Federal instead of NY State laws, the problem of guns in the hands of criminals
would be much diminished.


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The problem of criminals getting guns still exists, the strict law didn't stop them from getting guns, only the law abiding citizen has been stopped from buying guns. All they have done is to make a black market for guns and the prices paid for them has gone up. Your last statement of the criminals getting guns being greatly diminished is a supposition on your part. It didn't stop alcohol from being produced during prohibition and the drug problem today is worse than ever.
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The problem of criminals getting guns still exists, the strict law didn't stop them from getting guns, only the law abiding citizen has been stopped from buying guns. All they have done is to make a black market for guns and the prices paid for them has gone up. Your last statement of the criminals getting guns being greatly diminished is a supposition on your part. It didn't stop alcohol from being produced during prohibition and the drug problem today is worse than ever.


Again... if NY gun laws didn't stop criminals from getting guns in NY... then why
did they pay much more for a gun transported from another state???

Just think if it were this difficult for criminals to get guns anywhere in the USA.


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Just think if it were this difficult for criminals to get guns anywhere in the USA.


Probably as difficult as it is for a teenager to find and afford a bag of heroin.  That's nearly impossible to find, let alone afford it.


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Probably as difficult as it is for a teenager to find and afford a bag of heroin.  That's nearly impossible to find, let alone afford it.


So you disagree?
Then maybe you can tell me Cissy... Why do criminals buy out of state guns (at an inflated price) instead of
buying the same gun in NY State for less money???


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So you disagree?
Then maybe you can tell me Cissy... Why do criminals buy out of state guns (at an inflated price) instead of
buying the same gun in NY State for less money???


You are making the assumption that the gun crimes committed in NYC that you referenced on your map, were actually committed by NYS/NYC residents.  Those guns crimes could have been committed by non residents.  There is incomplete data to draw a conclusion about the effectiveness of NYS gun laws.


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