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It's better to be tried by 12 rather than carried by 6.
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Birth Control and reproductive health services are harder to get than bullets HAHAHA oh wait its the war on woman, give me a break. ANY woman can
go to a doctor or free clinic for both and any woman or man can go into a drug store and get condoms.
And the last sentence Guns dont kill people -vaginas do?  Well that is true, how many abortions were done last year? Over 300,000.
And NO gun law is going to stop a tragedy like Sandy Hook, there are always going to be demented evil people that will find a way to cause mass
murder : (
If you want Obama to protect children what about banning abortions and stopping the doping of kids?  


Your view of abortion is the killing of kids.  I disagree and so does the Supreme Court.  
If you are a Christian you might want to look at what Jesus said about Murder... a sin, and what Jesus said
about Abortion...
Below is the complete text of Jesus regarding abortion:
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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It's better to be tried by 12 rather than carried by 6.


Adam Lanza didn't face the 12, and was carried by 6 after killing 26.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Your view of abortion is the killing of kids.  I disagree and so does the Supreme Court.  
If you are a Christian you might want to look at what Jesus said about Murder... a sin, and what Jesus said
about Abortion...


The supreme court never said that abortion wasn't the killing of babies.

They ruled it constitutional.

Lack of a quote from Jesus doesn't mean he approves of murder and abortions.

Do you even know what a false premise is?

You argue like you never went to school.

Someday Satan will be kicking you in the nuts for trying to argue that you only supported legal death and destruction.



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Adam Lanza didn't face the 12, and was carried by 6 after killing 26.  


All because this Connecticut School District restricted 2nd Amendment rights in a "gun free zone" rendering everybody in that school defenseless.


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The supreme court never said that abortion wasn't the killing of babies.
They ruled it constitutional.
Lack of a quote from Jesus doesn't mean he approves of murder and abortions.
Do you even know what a false premise is?
You argue like you never went to school.
Someday Satan will be kicking you in the nuts for trying to
argue that you only supported legal death and destruction.



WOW!  L4Life speaks for Satin!  Who knew?


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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All because this Connecticut School District restricted 2nd Amendment rights in a "gun free zone" rendering everybody in that school defenseless.



Jeffrey Scott Shapiro: A Gun Ban That Misfired

What I saw as a prosecutor in Washington, D.C., makes me wary of strict firearms laws.

By JEFFREY SCOTT SHAPIRO

In the wake of the horrific elementary-school shootings in Newtown, Conn., last month, many Americans,
desperate to do something in response, have decided that much stricter gun control is the answer. Democrats
have proposed reinstating the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, and Sen. Dianne Feinstein has proposed
legislation that would even restrict the use of some semiautomatic handguns.

During a press conference Wednesday, President Obama called on congress to pass specific gun control
proposals, including universal background checks and assault weapon regulation. Photo: Getty Images.

During his press conference on Wednesday, President Obama spoke about the right of gun ownership and
the right to live free of gun violence. Photo: Getty Images

During a press conference Wednesday, President Obama called his gun control proposals 'common sense
measures' and emphasized his support of the Second Amendment, saying, "I respect our strong tradition
of gun ownership." Photo: Getty Images.

As a former prosecutor in Washington, D.C., who enforced firearms and ammunition cases while a severe
local gun ban was still in effect, I am skeptical of the benefits that many imagine will result from additional
gun-control efforts. I dislike guns, but I believe that a nationwide firearms crackdown would place an undue
burden on law enforcement and endanger civil liberties while potentially increasing crime.

The D.C. gun ban, enacted in 1976, prohibited anyone other than law-enforcement officers from carrying
a firearm in the city. Residents were even barred from keeping guns in their homes for self-defense.

Some in Washington who owned firearms before the ban were allowed to keep them as long as the weapons
were disassembled or trigger-locked at all times. According to the law, trigger locks could not be removed
for self-defense even if the owner was being robbed at gunpoint. The only way anyone could legally possess
a firearm in the District without a trigger lock was to obtain written permission from the D.C. police. The
granting of such permission was rare.

The gun ban had an unintended effect: It emboldened criminals because they knew that law-abiding District
residents were unarmed and powerless to defend themselves. Violent crime increased after the law was
enacted, with homicides rising to 369 in 1988, from 188 in 1976 when the ban started. By 1993, annual
homicides had reached 454.


The Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department also waged a war on firearms by creating a special
Gun Recovery Unit in 1995. The campaign meant that officers were obliged to spend time searching otherwise
law-abiding citizens. That same year, the department launched a crackdown called Operation Cease Fire
to rid the District of illegal firearms. But after four months, officers had confiscated only 282 guns out of
the many thousands in the city.

Civil liberties were endangered. Legislative changes empowered judges to hold gun suspects in pretrial
detention without bond for up to 100 days, and efforts were made to enact curfews and seize automobiles
found to contain firearms. In 1997, Police Chief Charles Ramsey disbanded the unit so that he could assign
more uniformed officers to patrol the streets instead, but the police periodically tried other gun crackdowns
over the next decade—with little effect.

In 2007, a panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled that the city's gun ban was
unconstitutional.
Senior Judge Laurence H. Silberman wrote in the majority opinion that "the black market
for handguns in the District is so strong that handguns are readily available (probably at little premium)
to criminals. It is asserted, therefore that the D.C. gun control laws irrationally prevent only law abiding
citizens from owning handguns."


The ruling was affirmed the following year by the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller. Justice
Antonin Scalia's majority opinion said that citizens were guaranteed a right to keep firearms that were in
common use in their homes for self-defense, but that the government could pass reasonable regulations
concerning firearms and ammunition.


Heller created a panic among gun-control advocates because it condoned the ownership of semiautomatic
handguns, which are among the most common firearms in use but also the target of many restriction efforts.



Supporters of the District gun ban maintained that because a semiautomatic handgun could potentially
be converted into a machine gun—a class of firearms not expressly protected by Heller—they were in fact
machine guns and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment. In response, Congress threatened
to pass a law that specified the legality of semiautomatic handguns in the District. To avoid the
embarrassment of being dictated to by Congress, the D.C. Council passed emergency legislation in
September 2008 amending the gun ban to allow ownership of semiautomatic handguns for home defense.


Since the gun ban was struck down, murders in the District have steadily gone down, from 186 in 2008 to
88 in 2012, the lowest number since the law was enacted in 1976. The decline resulted from a variety of
factors, but losing the gun ban certainly did not produce the rise in murders that many might have expected.


The urge to drastically restrict firearms after mass murders like those at Sandy Hook Elementary School
last month and in Aurora, Colo., in July, is understandable.
In effect, many people would like to apply
the District's legal philosophy on firearms to the entire nation. Based on what happened in Washington,
I think that would be a mistake. Any sense of safety and security would be a false one.


Mr. Shapiro was a criminal prosecutor for the District of Columbia from 2007-09.

A version of this article appeared January 16, 2013, on page A11 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street
Journal, with the headline: A Gun Ban That Misfired.


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WOW!  L4Life speaks for Satin!  Who knew?


Oblivious moron.

Show one word that I spoke for Satan.


Obviously you found a distraction from the actual intent of the post, that someday you will be judged for
your support of baby killing.


Spin away, polisher of Obama's rectum.

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Oblivious moron.
Show one word that I spoke for Satan.

Obviously you found a distraction from the actual intent of the post, that someday you will be judged for
your support of baby killing.

Spin away, polisher of Obama's rectum.


"Someday Satan will be kicking you in the nuts for trying to argue that you only supported legal
death and destruction."
Your words... Do you check with Satin before you tell people of Satin's
wishes, or do you just wing it?

I really loved L4Life's latest 'taunt'.  He's called me a bunch of names (a character
flaw) but this one is especially funny!
"Spin away, polisher of Obama's rectum."
Try these

L4Life... this video is for you!  



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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This is bloomberg's world:



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. Psalms 127:3

I was placed in your care from birth. From my mother's womb you have been my God. Psalms 22:10

Thou shalt not kill. Exodus 20:13

13 For you formed my inward parts;
    you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Wonderful are your works;
    my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
    intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
    the days that were formed for me,
    when as yet there was none of them.Psalms 139:13-16
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New York: Under New York statutory law, the killing of an "unborn child" after twenty-four weeks of pregnancy is homicide. N.Y. Pen. Law § 125.00 (McKinney 199. But under a separate statutory provision, a "person" that is the victim of a homicide is statutorily defined as a "human being who has been born and is alive." N.Y. Pen. Law § 125.05 (McKinney 199. See People v. Joseph, 130 Misc. 2d 377, 496 N.Y.S.2d 328 (County Court 1985); In re Gloria C., 124 Misc.2d 313, 476 N.Y.S.2d 991 (N.Y. Fam. Ct. 1984); People v. Vercelletto, 514 N.Y.S.2d 177 (Co. Ct. 1987).


Of course NY has conflicting statutes
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http://www.plannedparenthood.o.....&__utmk=94969756

I thought OUR tax dollars did NOT pay for abortions ???!!!!!
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Texas attorney general to New York gun owners: ‘Come to the state of Texas’

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbot,  a few days ago invited New Yorkers angry with the state’s new
gun control law to head down south, to Texas...

YES PLEASE DO... GO TO TEXAS, AND TAKE YOUR F'N GUNS WITH YOU!!!
AND DON'T RETURN TO NY WITH YOUR GUNS!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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