Cicero - I don't know that owner held the party for them.  If they rented the bar for a party someone from the group probably hired the strippers.

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Hnery - is watching strippers illegal ?  if not, what law did they violate ?

That is not illegal but I see them break laws constantly, cops are the biggest abusers of traffic laws out there, and no I'm not talking about when going to a call this is random violations. I watched a cop give a guy a ticket for leaving his car on while he ran into Stewarts, only to see a cop do the same thing 3 days in a row at Mikes on Erie Blvd. I don't know how many times I seen cops blow red lights without their lights or sirens on or fail to use their directionals. Cops in this city are fcking hypocrites, nail the citizens while the chosen few get a pass.

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Cicero = Again stripping is not illegal.  But, i garee the line between stripping and prostitution gets blurred and crossed - so it is really something to be leary of, and in this case should have been avoided.  

But waht would everyone say if a bunch of off duty cops went to a strip bar?  Is that wrong?  Do we have the right to legislate or judge that kind of off duty conduct?  I don't think you have the right to tell a cop he cannot go to a strip bar.  

I wouldn't call it an establishment with a criminal past because of the actuiosn of teh mother.  She's been a straightb egg all her life - this was an unfortunate lapse.

Stretch to lump akll those thibgs together.  It would have been sound advice to tell them not to do it, but, as a businessman is he required to do so?

Senders = stop making stuff up

what did I make up????

Were they off duty?  

Second are they a cop when off duty or only when they want to be?

I was chased by an off duty cop with his private vehicle some years back, he almost ran me off the road with my kids in the car, he followed me into Rotterdam then he calls Sch'dy PD to come, they send two on duty vehicles, one a K-9 unit, took them a half hour to figure out what to  charge me with ended up getting a ticket for littering on a highway. One of the kids through a balloon out the window on crane st.

Judge saw right threw it, and tossed it out.

On the plus side, for at least the time they were at their frat party, they weren't breaking into cars in back of Proctors.
So there's that I guess.

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But waht would everyone say if a bunch of off duty cops went to a strip bar?  Is that wrong?  Do we have the right to legislate or judge that kind of off duty conduct?  I don't think you have the right to tell a cop he cannot go to a strip bar.  

Yes, of course the city residents have the right!  These officers are paid by the taxpayer.  This behavior damage the reputation of the entire city.  Not to mention, it may compromise these officers and open them up to black mail.

This wasn't a few off duty officers going to DeCarlo's Gentlemens Club, this was a private stripper party for a whole platoon of officers.  Was there any Commanding Officers at this party?  Did the Commanding Officer of this platoon know about this party?  If they were at the party or knew about the party, they should be terminated for their poor judgemet.

I've heard about Tops and Bottoms private parties - hands on hands off is negotiable.  Money talks.  I doubt that it will ever be determined since both parties have nothing to gain in disclosing that.

Schenectady police officers should be required to disclose all activities that may risk harming the police departments reputaiton.  This is a common practice in private business to manage a company's reputation.  I've heard in some cases, if a person in top management of a company gets charged with a DWI, it is required that the person diclose the conduct, and it is common practice to terminate the manager.  This is to protect the reputation of the company.  

Police officers should be held to the same if not higher standard as any company that wants to maintain a clean reputation. I would argue that since they are carrying fire arms and hold the power to detain, ethical behavior and a good reputation is much more important.  

So in conclusion, I absolutely believe the City has the right to legislate police off duty conduct.  Do I think 2 officers must disclose going out for some drinks after work at a strip club open to the public?  Proabably not.  But when a whole platoon organizes a stripper party that appears to have been organized during work, and exclusively for City police officers, that should have been disclosed to the Commanding Officer and approved by the Chief and Mayor.

AGREE....but then again, the only plumb line is the one exacted upon the citizenry

standards?

I'm a little confused here.

1)  Were they on duty?
2)  Was this a private get together of a bunch of friends, or was it sponsored partially by the PD or PBA?
3)  Has anything illegal been conclusively determined?
4)  What is in the SPD Code of Conduct covering being present at an establishment where there is a stripper (assuming nothing illegal has been determined to occur there)

Sorry - haven't read through the thread super carefully.  Lots of ranting here and I'd just like to understand why.

And for the record I've never even been in a Hooters, much less something more risque.

Cicero - While I agree they should not have had the stripper at the party.  If that is all that happened, hold them accountable - but that is not a termination offense.

You do not have a right to legislate their off duty conduct.  Are they slaves that you control their behavior for 24 hours  a day?  Ridiculous.

So if a few go to a strip bar - it's okay, if they rent a stripper - the only differnece being the number of officers and the venue - it's unacceptable?  That logic is inconsistent.  Too bad the world does not spin the way you want it.

Senders - most city pubs are owned by officers, ex-officers, or their families ?

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Cicero - While I agree they should not have had the stripper at the party.  If that is all that happened, hold them accountable - but that is not a termination offense.

You do not have a right to legislate their off duty conduct.  Are they slaves that you control their behavior for 24 hours  a day?  Ridiculous.

So if a few go to a strip bar - it's okay, if they rent a stripper - the only differnece being the number of officers and the venue - it's unacceptable?  That logic is inconsistent.  Too bad the world does not spin the way you want it.

Senders - most city pubs are owned by officers, ex-officers, or their families ?

not most...but enough to talk about.....and aren't they the 'jewels' of the metroplex?

JackBauer - I'm fairly certain it falls within the scope of the rules and regs. At this point, if they hired a stripper - it's pretty friggin stupid and unprecedented.

But to call them criminals and other things I've read is well....ranting.

Should not have happened,  I'm sure it will be investigated and dealt with -

senders how many ? I know of two counting the one discussed on this thread.

Have no idea why any ex-cop would; want to own or run a  bar as much headaches as they cause for police

Tommy - yeah but that's waht 30 year old news?

Were the strippers male, or female?

Regardless of the yet to be determined severity of any wrongdoing in this incident the fact remains that this does nothing positive for a battered city image.  As witnessed by Ms. Moores' report every new incident only dredges up the past (egg throwing from the bus) litany of infractions.   This reason alone one would think that this would keep the discipline in check.   Are the current new recruits made aware of the past infractions and the sensitivie nature that promoting a positive image entails?   And what of the senior rank/file.   Do they not take the new hires under their wing to guide them?   Or are they themselves devoid of that ability to lead by example.   Whom is watching whom?   There was even that quote within the report that this was "felony stupid"   This city can no longer afford press such as this.    With all that is at stake and the $$$$ that the county has invested in Sch'dy through Metroplex, one would think these incidents would be almost nonexistent.   After all they contribute nothing to the city's future and well being.   You can spend all the $$$$ you want, but an image cannot be bought.   It is earned.   Perception is realty and the perception of this city in the eyes of many of it's residents, as well as neighboring communities, is quite negative.   This can explain why many chose not to live here or buy a home.   The 3 most frequent reasons we hear for not buying a home here is the PD history (and yes more than you'd think are aware of it), the School District (the Raucci affair et.al.) and the ever popular(?) high taxes.   Until these situations become rare and not a heaping onto with all the previous infractions within the PD, this city will find it hard to attract the people it would like to see live here.   We will all be looking forward to the comments from the Commissioner/Chief in the ensuing days.*******In a related way to this story we have been made aware of 2 families,renters, deciding to vacate the city to a surrouding town.   1 familty with a child has decided they do not want their school age child enrolled in the city schoolsystem.   They've read of  the recent travails of the city schools.   They also stated that buying a house here was not an option due to the taxes.   Was unclear why family #2 decided on an exodus, but the fact that they moved out as well speaks for itself.  Was not enough here positive wise to keep them here.   Not even Proctors.    Merry Xmas to all and to all a Goodnight.