retribution to most is action against people that are RESPONSIBLE for another action You just said you were responsible...either you mean it or don't...what it is?
retribution 1. the act of punishing or taking vengeance for wrongdoing, sin, or injury 2. punishment or vengeance
Again, the act of "retribution" is your values, not mine. We, collectively are responsible for the actions of OUR government. Pay back? Vengeance? Getting even??? Punishment???
If those are YOUR values, I can understand why you come to some of your conclusions.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
retribution 1. the act of punishing or taking vengeance for wrongdoing, sin, or injury 2. punishment or vengeance
Again, the act of "retribution" is your values, not mine. We, collectively are responsible for the actions of OUR government. Pay back? Vengeance? Getting even??? Punishment???
If those are YOUR values, I can understand why you come to some of your conclusions.
classic Boxy deflection....YOU said as an American citizen YOU were RESPONSIBLE for your countries invasion of Iraq. So, if someone that was against the invasion wanted retribution, YOU would be fair game because YOU were responsible.
If you don't think you would be, then you didn't mean what your wrote...it's either one or the other.. It has nothing to do with me or what I think.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
classic Boxy deflection....YOU said as an American citizen YOU were RESPONSIBLE for your countries invasion of Iraq. So, if someone that was against the invasion wanted retribution, YOU would be fair game because YOU were responsible.
If you don't think you would be, then you didn't mean what your wrote...it's either one or the other.. It has nothing to do with me or what I think.
You can play with YOUR words all day if you wish... but according to your view... ~Since I was opposed to the Iraq invasion... ~ and I am an American citizen... ~I could take retribution against myself... LMAO! You make a lot of sense!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I'm going to try this ONE more time Box... This is your complete post in this thread:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- I understand Cicero... Much of the world is 'confusing' to you. I'm a "WE" when it comes to 'our' government. When GWB invaded Iraq, I was against that move and I condemned it vigorously, but "I" as an American citizen was still responsible for that action even though I opposed it.
"YOU" on the other hand consider yourself an "I". You want to bail out of schools, taxes, any type of welfare or social program... You consider this country made up of a collection of "I's"... which is part of the reason you are often "confused" concerning much of life. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I highlighted the point in question. My simple question to you is: If you feel your are responsible for the invasion of Iraq, would you consider yourself fair game for retribution from someone who was adversely effected by it?
A simple yes or no will suffice
If you answer yes, you mean what you say... if you answer no, you don't.. It's really not that hard..
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
"YOU" on the other hand consider yourself an "I". You want to bail out of schools, taxes, any type of welfare or social program... You consider this country made up of a collection of "I's"... which is part of the reason you are often "confused" concerning much of life.
Oh, I was born a "we"? And not a voluntary "we" but rather a "we" through the coercive powers of the "we the people" government. I did not know that. Now a person with duel citizenship, how do they split their "we-ness"?
How do you live with the guilty conscience because of the decisons to kill made by the "we" government? That means YOU killed people. Does your blind faith in collective nationalism not allow for individual guilt.
I'm going to try this ONE more time Box... This is your complete post in this thread:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- I understand Cicero... Much of the world is 'confusing' to you. I'm a "WE" when it comes to 'our' government. When GWB invaded Iraq, I was against that move and I condemned it vigorously, but "I" as an American citizen was still responsible for that action even though I opposed it.
"YOU" on the other hand consider yourself an "I". You want to bail out of schools, taxes, any type of welfare or social program... You consider this country made up of a collection of "I's"... which is part of the reason you are often "confused" concerning much of life. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I highlighted the point in question. My simple question to you is: If you feel your are responsible for the invasion of Iraq, would you consider yourself fair game for retribution from someone who was adversely effected by it?
A simple yes or no will suffice
If you answer yes, you mean what you say... if you answer no, you don't.. It's really not that hard..
Oh... Do you want Peace on earth? Do you want Peace on earth if it means that you will die in the process. A simple yes or no will suffice
If you answer yes, you mean what you say... if you answer no, you don't.. It's really not that hard..
"WE" collectively as Americans are responsible for the actions of our government. If your retribution should come and injure YOU or YOUR LOVE ONES, as part of WE, I would consider it an injury against US... ALL OF US, not just an injury against YOU.
Part of WE, is to be the best WE that we can be. I seldom write or phone my elected officials... but when there is a war or military action in the balance I often make my views known. My responsibility as a US citizen demands that I do what little I can to make the right decisions for US. ALL OF US!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Oh, I was born a "we"? And not a voluntary "we" but rather a "we" through the coercive powers of the "we the people" government. I did not know that. Now a person with duel citizenship, how do they split their "we-ness"?
How do you live with the guilty conscience because of the decisons to kill made by the "we" government? That means YOU killed people. Does your blind faith in collective nationalism not allow for individual guilt.
Since I consider OUR GOVT to belong to all of us... I include all Americans, even confused folk like you, in that group. You may exclude yourself from that obligation, but IMO being born a US citizen with all it's benefits, also leaves you responsible to certain obligations.
Part of "WE" is giving back to your country for the riches it's given you. IMO, Military duty should be compulsory for every US Citizen. NO excuses, no deferments, no cop outs. If the US military were made up of "WE" The People, it would be used much differently. Many Americans have no problem sending US troops anywhere in the world even for frivolous reasons. If "THEY" the military, were in fact "WE" the majority of Americans... the entire equation would change. It's much the same with the entire govt. If all US Govt were "WE"... you wouldn't see it as the enemy.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
"WE" collectively as Americans are responsible for the actions of our government. If your retribution should come and injure YOU or YOUR LOVE ONES, as part of WE, I would consider it an injury against US... ALL OF US, not just an injury against YOU.
Part of WE, is to be the best WE that we can be. I seldom write or phone my elected officials... but when there is a war or military action in the balance I often make my views known. My responsibility as a US citizen demands that I do what little I can to make the right decisions for US. ALL OF US!
Sigh...no answer, just as I thought... Continue trolling, bobbing and weaving , Box.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Sigh...no answer, just as I thought... Continue trolling, bobbing and weaving , Box.
OH... so you ask me to answer... but you also refused... didn't you!
Such a one way street these Right Wingers
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So I wasn't born free with individual liberty, but rather with obligations, duties, and if you had your way conscription to military service to the state? I'm born into slavery? The government I'm born under has ownership of my mind(compulsory school) and the fruits of my labor(taxation), and my life(military conscription), even before I have a vote in the government I'm born under?
So I wasn't born free with individual liberty, but rather with obligations, duties, and if you had your way conscription to military service to the state? I'm born into slavery? The government I'm born under has ownership of my mind(compulsory school) and the fruits of my labor(taxation), and my life(military conscription), even before I have a vote in the government I'm born under?
And this is a free country?
Nope to many idiots like box think that you are allowed rights by your government, not natural rights.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
OH... so you ask me to answer... but you also refused... didn't you!
Such a one way street these Right Wingers
I never posted anything about peace on earth...you posted SPECIFICALLY about responsibility regarding the Iraq invasion... OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
So I wasn't born free with individual liberty, but rather with obligations, duties, and if you had your way conscription to military service to the state? I'm born into slavery? The government I'm born under has ownership of my mind(compulsory school) and the fruits of my labor(taxation), and my life(military conscription), even before I have a vote in the government I'm born under?
And this is a free country?
I posted what I thought... You posted what you think those words mean... and AS USUAL... CIC GETS IT WRONG!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I never posted anything about peace on earth...you posted SPECIFICALLY about responsibility regarding the Iraq invasion... OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YUP.
I was asked a lame question and didn't answer... and YOU were asked a lame question and didn't answer.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Since I consider OUR GOVT to belong to all of us... I include all Americans, even confused folk like you, in that group. You may exclude yourself from that obligation, but IMO being born a US citizen with all it's benefits, also leaves you responsible to certain obligations.
Part of "WE" is giving back to your country for the riches it's given you. IMO, Military duty should be compulsory for every US Citizen. NO excuses, no deferments, no cop outs.
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