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December 29, 2012, 4:48pm Report to Moderator

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Who was the prominent republican?  Is he from a district where he won by a narrow margin?  Well never know because box is posting propaganda with incomplete info and no context.  Go figure.


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"They say that their biggest priority is making sure that we deal with the deficit in a serious way,
but the way they're behaving is that their only priority is making sure that tax breaks for the wealthiest
Americans are protected. That seems to be their only overriding, unifying theme."

-- President Obama, on Meet the Press, blaming Republicans for failing to reach a deal to avert the fiscal cliff.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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This from a man who brought us "Fast and Furious", Benghazi, Obamacare, and no budget in the last 4 years is now concerned about the fiscal cliff by blaming the Republicans, how about blaming his lack of leadership on some of the fiscal cliff problems.
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This from a man who brought us "Fast and Furious", Benghazi, Obamacare, and no budget in the last 4 years is now concerned about the fiscal cliff by blaming the Republicans, how about blaming his lack of leadership on some of the fiscal cliff problems.


You are welcome to blame who ever you please, but the majority of Americans blame the Republican
congress... and they know it.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Dr. Zaius: Dr. Zira, I must caution you. Experimental brain surgery on these creatures is one thing, and I'm all in favor of it. But your behavior studies are another matter. To suggest that we can learn anything about the simian nature from a study of man is sheer nonsense. Why, man is a nuisance. He eats up his food supply in the forest, then migrates to our green belts and ravages our crops. The sooner he is exterminated, the better. It's a question of simian survival.
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...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Biden is on his way to Capitol to explain details of 'fiscal cliff' deal; vote could be held by 10:30 p.m.
- @washingtonpost


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Biden may have a little trouble selling it to the house as it doesn't sound like a great deal from the rumors that have leaked out.
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Biden may have a little trouble selling it to the house as it doesn't sound like a great deal from the rumors that have leaked out.


Biden doesn't have to "sell it to the house"... BONER does.

As of a few hours ago, the deal looked like this:
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Bush tax cuts: The deal would extend all of the Bush tax cuts for incomes below $400,000 for individuals
and $450,000 for families, while reinstating the Clinton-era 39.6 percent tax rate for income above those
thresholds. It will also push the capital gains rate on investment income back to 20 percent for income
above $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for families. President Obama had asked for an extension of
rates only for incomes below $250,000.

Stimulus tax credits: Three tax credits expanded as part of the stimulus will be extended for one year as
part of the compromise. The America’s Opportunity Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, and Earned Income Tax
Credit collectively benefit nearly 20 million Americans each year, and extending them was a priority for
Obama and Democrats. Republicans allowed all three to expire in tax legislation earlier this year.

Payroll tax cut: The payroll tax cut would expire as part of this compromise. The payroll tax cut, which
benefits all wage-earning workers, is the most damaging piece of the “fiscal cliff” according to the
Congressional Budget Office. Republicans have opposed extending the payroll tax cut in the past; many
Democrats opposed its extension over fears that it would undermine Social Security, which it helps fund.

Unemployment insurance: The federal unemployment insurance program would be extended for one
year under this deal. Without an extension, more than 2 million would lose benefits at the beginning
of 2013, while another million would lose them in the early part of the year.

Estate tax: The estate tax was set to revert to its Clinton-era levels, where it was taxed at 55
percent after a $1 million exemption. This deal would set the exemption at $5 million and tax at a
40 percent rate after that — at a cost of $375 billion over 10 years compared to the Clinton level.

Other provisions: The deal would also include a permanent fix to the Alternative Minimum Tax and a
one-year “doc fix,” which would prevent cuts in provider payments through Medicare. It also extends
certain corporate tax provisions for another year.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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That's the problem, a lot of taxes and no cuts to spending.
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If you notice.......both parties are full of sh!t.........different side of the same corrupt coin!




When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Quoted from bumblethru
If you notice.......both parties are full of sh!t.........different side of the same corrupt coin!


Lou Dobbs is not an unbiased party in these talks.  He represents the Right Wing view... so when
the Right Wing is crashing , Lou tries to spread the blame by implicating the Democrats in
the Republican disaster.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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News flash we don't have a tax problem we have a spending problem and just who is doing all the spending?
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Quoted from Shadow
News flash we don't have a tax problem we have a spending problem and just who is doing all the spending?


Well, according to box, it is being done by "we" the government.

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Quoted from Shadow
News flash we don't have a tax problem we have a spending problem and just who is doing all the spending?



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Well, according to box, it is being done by "we" the government.


Yea after the spending spree of so called "Conservatives" they now call for spending cuts.  
The FACTS show that Obama has the lowest spending in decades.  Look at the graph...
Kind of obvious who the "spenders" are.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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