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JackBauer
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Lazy entitled non tax payers and their social programs.



Wow.  I see a lot of the complete trash that Obama and his minions spewed really did sink in.

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Wow.  I see a lot of the complete trash that Obama and his minions spewed really did sink in.



Really, slashing entitlements wasn't part of the platform?

Romney's 47% comment to his rich friends wasn't about non taxpayers?

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non tax payers







Pot calling the kettle black........eh Paul?....................or have you taken care of your delinquent property tax bill?
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Well, he lost by less than 3 million votes.  The electoral spread and popular spread was LESS than 08.  If yours and the left wing analysis was correct, than Obama would have increased his margins in both - he didn't.  The bigger news is the turnout.

The Republicans lost because they squashed a vital and growing wing of their party, the libertarian wing.  The republicans thought they could successfully co-opt Ron Paul's growing "tea party" liberty movement by having Dick Armey create Freedomworks and organize rally's that mimicked Ron Paul rallies using the similar limited government, liberty message that Ron Paul was championing.  Problem was, the millions that believe in the liberty message didn't bite and knew it was phony. Then to add insult to injury, when Ron Paul was winning delegates and taking over state parties, the Republican Party began changing the rules to protect the establishment control.

The republicans rolled the dice and thought they could win without the Liberty vote.  They didn't only lose, but people didn't even show up to vote for any of them.  The last report I read was that the voter turnout was 56%.

I predict over the next few years, there will be more Republican Arlen Spector's defecting to the Democrat Party.  Especially in these swing states.  Since the power mad neocons believe in the same big government philosophy as the Democrats.  

Their position on gay marriage, the war on women, immigration, social welfare, compulsory health insurance, and other social issues had very little to do with their loss.  The fact is, they manipulated their own party's primary to exclude MILLIONS of voters.  And they'll never get them back, because those voters believe in limiting government power - neocons do not.  Neocons will go where there is access to government power - that is now the Democrat party.

The democrat party will become the party of war, law enforcement, and welfare.  They've already been moving in that direction.


the DEMS use the same tactics when needed....that's why they are different sides of the same coin

the libertarians can't win because the status quo of the 2 major parties will be upset.....

remember they have to 'fan the vote' 'divide the masses until election time'......

the REPS in their failure taught a good lesson to the masses if the the masses were paying attention.....

they both use talking points as if it were a football game/baseball game/NASCAR etc.....

they took over names and organizations MADE BY THE PEOPLE ORGANIZING AND REBRANDED THEM for 'the kill'....

kind of like separation of church and state they over step their boundaries and we accept what the 'magic man'
spews from his mouth every time......as if it is UNITING ......

shame on us shame shame shame.....

and L4L....everyone wants the sick, infirm, poor, elders cared for....but the subjectivity of what the government deems
as the lines and definitions of what each is leaves ALOT to be desired.....they use those folks as whipping posts
at their podiums while the rest watch and listen to the crap spewwed from their mouths......

and remember today you may be 'the rich' that the government deems you to be and not 'giving your fair share'...

I'm all about helping, here's an idea form a group or do it individually WITHOUT GOVERNMENT $$$ silly...

the ratio of people to help above said people is something that is unaffordable at this time.....

I'm not going to help someone as a job for 'peanut pay' while waiting for some dumb a$$ reward in heaven, you can't
afford me....and it's rude to expect those caretakers to make peanuts by taking advantage of their ability to 'care'....

I'm not 'rich' but I'm 'richer' than alot of other folks.....

having a hard time? I'll back you a lasagna/ give you a ride to the MD etc etc....at MY expense not some poorly run
government program


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Back on topic- Mayor McCheese never saw a tax he didn't want to hike nor budget he didn't want to pad. The only vot NO on a 2009 budget because taxes weren't increased enough.
He waited until after Marion got "re-elected" by the Obama politards to veto the DEM budget. Now reality sets in. The budget has a fiction that never balanced. Major city tax increase coupled with a major County tax increase.
No reason to stop Death Ray from handing out tax exemptions like candy up and down State Street-no?
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Really, slashing entitlements wasn't part of the platform?

Romney's 47% comment to his rich friends wasn't about non taxpayers?



Anyone who thinks this:

http://lonelyconservative.com/.....tlement_spending.png

is sustainable, is a complete moron.  Not saying that's you, but anyone who doesn't see how unsustainable medicare, medicaid, social security have becoming, is truly blind.

That's supposedly based off OMB data.  Even if it's posted on some conservative website - please find for me a graph that is based on OMB data that doesn't look something like that.  To me that's impossible, because all the data says the same thing...

And what's worse is the Fed printing money, causing inflation which other than having a modest affect on exports, will cause a continued slow growing economy...  or contraction, and less jobs.

I really hope I'm wrong.  I don't want my savings to plummet due to fiscal incompetence of the progressives.  I really honestly hope I'm wrong, but to be frank - that's pretty unlikely.
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Anyone who thinks this:

http://lonelyconservative.com/.....tlement_spending.png

is sustainable, is a complete moron.  Not saying that's you, but anyone who doesn't see how unsustainable medicare, medicaid, social security have becoming, is truly blind.



It doesn't matter. As people become eligible for social security and medicare, they don't want to hear that the
system that they financed for half a century probably wont be able to honor their commitments.

You want to break the contract, return my lifetime of deductions with interest.

Anyone who even considers altering the contract will not get my vote.



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If the money in SS and Medicare runs out who you going to vote for then?
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If the money in SS and Medicare runs out who you going to vote for then?



My lawyer.





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Anyone who even considers altering the contract will not get my vote.



And those you vote for will pay you with dollars that are (potentially) worthless.

I am (probably) exaggerating, although a sudden dumping of US bonds by foreign interests could result in a total dollar collapse...  I'm not yet saying that will happen, although it could.

I'm under the age that Romney had suggested as the "tollgate", so he was actually suggesting SS would change for me.  Yet I'm pragmatic and recognize that it is unavoidable...  And I have been preparing for that by saving a large portion of my income for years.

Something has to change...  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_May_Fuller

Those selfish enough to expect something that is financially impossible are the ones that are dooming it to collapse.
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Those selfish enough to expect something that is financially impossible are the ones that are dooming it to collapse.


It wasn't financially impossible when they took my money.

Like I said, my money back plus interest.


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If the money in SS and Medicare runs out who you going to vote for then?


Social security and medicare wouldn't be in financial trouble if everyone paid in the same percentage of their wages.

Most people paid a percentage of all their earnings.

People that earned more money got to pay less of a percentage towards social security.

The system was structured to force the lowest earners to pay the highest percentage.

The following list shows the cut off point for taxable social security earnings deductions

For 2012, anyone earning over $110,000 pays no more social security tax on whatever they make above $110,000

So a person making $100,00 pays taxes on 100% of his earnings while a person earning $1,000,000 pays taxes
on only 10% of his earnings.


1937-50      $3,000
1951-54      3,600
1955-58      4,200
1959-65      4,800
1966-67      6,600
1968-71      7,800
1972      9,000
1973      10,800
1974      13,200
1975      14,100
1976      15,300
1977      16,500
1978      17,700
1979      22,900
1980      25,900
1981      29,700
1982      32,400
1983      35,700
1984      37,800
1985      39,600
1986      $42,000
1987      43,800
1988      45,000
1989      48,000
1990      51,300
1991      53,400
1992      55,500
1993      57,600
1994      60,600
1995      61,200
1996      62,700
1997      65,400
1998      68,400
1999      72,600
2000      76,200
2001      80,400
2002      84,900
2003      87,000
2004      87,900
2005      90,000
2006      $94,200
2007      97,500
2008      102,000
2009      106,800
2010      106,800
2011      106,800
2012      110,100
2013      113,700

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Members of congress pay no social security taxes.
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A new round on city budget
Schenectady mayor uses his veto to oppose staff cuts, but council can respond Tuesday
By Brian Nearing
Published 9:22 p.m., Saturday, November 10, 2012


SCHENECTADY — Mayor Gary McCarthy tossed aside the City Council's ax to his proposed budget by using his veto power, but said Saturday he wants to resolve the disagreement, an outcome that would avoid a showdown by the council to override him.

McCarthy late Friday vetoed the council's $78 million spending plan, which had been crafted as an alternative to the mayor's $78.9 million budget. In a terse, four-paragraph veto message, McCarthy said staff cuts in the council plan would create "domino effects" resulting in "revenue losses and reductions in services," with the city running out of cash by November 2013.

His letter did not specify how revenues might be at risk, an omission raised by several council members. Now the council faces a choice: override McCarthy's veto or allow his budget to prevail.

"I expected more detail in the veto message ... There is not enough there to say I know where he is coming from," said Councilman Carl Erickson, who pushed for cuts to lower the mayor's projected property tax rate increase.

McCarthy's budget would raise the rate by 4.2 percent, while the council budget trims that to 1.7 percent.

The mayor said in an interview he expects to attend Tuesday's regular council meeting where the budget will be discussed. He called his veto message "a quick summary without escalating this too much ... We will work some agreement to resolve this."

The council budget cuts three positions included in the mayor's budget — an assistant police chief, a vacant engineering position, and a part-time police quartermaster job. Erickson said none of those jobs create revenue for the city.

In the case of the assistant police chief, Assistant Chief Brian Kilcullen would be demoted to lieutenant and take a $40,000 pay cut.

McCarthy said the council budget was flawed because it assumed the assistant chief's entire $125,000 salary would be saved. He pointed out that even though Kilcullen would have a reduced salary, he would become eligible for overtime pay, something not available to an assistant chief.

"I am interested in hearing what the mayor has to say," said Council member Leesa Perazzo. "Given that our only options are to revert to his budget or stick with ours by overriding his veto, I am inclined at this juncture to vote to override."

In his veto message, McCarthy also warned revenue losses from the council budget would endanger the city's creditworthiness. The city has been reassuring the two main credit rating agencies — Moody's Investors Service and Standard & Poors — "there will not be a cash flow issue in 2013."

In September, Moody's lowered the city's credit rating — a move that could make it more expensive for the city to borrow — warning the city carries too much debt and has a "declining financial position which is expected to deteriorate further."

The council also cut other expenses from McCarthy's budget, including lease payments for city fire trucks, which former city budget analyst Jason Cuthbert claimed were overstated by $252,000. Cuthbert was fired by McCarthy in September after Cuthbert had criticized the mayor for the amount of county sales tax revenue the mayor negotiated on behalf of the city.

The council made other cuts, including proposed raises for the city clerk and other administrators.

McCarthy and six of the council's seven members are Democrats. Vince Riggi, the lone independent, had gotten Cuthbert's analysis of McCarthy's budget, and shared it with Erickson, who used it to help craft the council budget proposal.

"What I see as flawed here is that the mayor's budget had overstated expenditures. Why that is, I don't know," said Riggi. "I have problems with being presented with a budget with figures that are not factual." Riggi said he would vote to override the mayor.

bnearing@timesunion.com • 518-454-5094 • @Bnearing10

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/A-new-round-on-city-budget-4026795.php#ixzz2Bvzc43pN
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My lawyer.



I hope he/she can move you to the front of the line after the default.


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