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Had Hillary been a Republican Sec Of State, Benghazi would have been an unfortunate incident.  The real
reason for the 'outrage' and 'conspiracy' against Hillary is an attempt to prevent a very successful
Democrat woman from entering the 2016 race for President.


No, had Hilary been a Republican Sec of State, Benghazi AND the bombing of Libya would have been considered a monumental fu(k up and rightfully so.  The left in the country would have Katrina'd Clinton if she were a Republican.


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I will search for the lost and bring back the strays. I will bind up the injured and strengthen the weak, but the sleek and the strong I will destroy. I will shepherd the flock with justice. Ez 34:16


sounds like robinhood government via religion?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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what i find even more interesting is how some folks actually think that questioning their government or
anything else for that  matter, is called a 'conspiracy'. if someone believes EVERYTHING they are fed
from the government to the LAME STREAM MEDIA....that is their choice. But to question folks who
'question the system' is irresponsible.


Ok, let me get this straight, questioning the government is paranoid conspiracy, but questioning the
questioners isn't?


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I think it's a good thing to question our government, and our politicians... I think news reports should be looked
at as ONE SOURCE of what is happening in the world.

If one source has an outrageous story, and they often do post unreliable outrageous false information,
I would put less trust in those sites than on other more reliable sources. (FoxSnooze)

When I read an "opinion piece", I take it as that.  It's someone's opinion, who may or may not be an expert
in that field, but still JUST AN OPINION. (MSNBC)

An Unreliable Drugged out Right Wing Radio Host may have the facts, but I don't put too much faith on a site
that has habitually posted 'hype' over 'fact'.  (El Druggo, Glenn Beck, Savage, etc)

The more reliable the news source, the more faith I put into their broadcast.  All networks present FACTS,
and all occasionally make mistakes but some are more reliable and less biased than others.
The habitual outliers are suspect.

A news piece by a Right or Left wing website will no undoubtedly post their agenda... It may be factual, but with
a bias.  

When I read that there is a Sea Monster in the Sacandaga, my first reaction is that is likely false... I may
investigate the story further, and who knows, it may be factual, but unlike some on this board... I don't assume
that a conspiracy story  it's true just because I'd like to some day see an actual Sea Monster.

Conspiracy in many cases isn't just innocent fun... It is often  a
propaganda piece with the purpose of casting doubt on true events.  (the Sandy Hook AR15 story)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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When the government fcks up blame the other party as if they aren't all connected. Both incidents were cases of blowback over our policies over decades and the blame goes to both republicans and democrats.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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When the government fcks up blame the other party as if they aren't all connected. Both incidents were cases of blowback over our policies over decades and the blame goes to both republicans and democrats.


So you blame Ron Paul 'THE REPUBLICAN' for both these failures???
Or is your GOD infallible?


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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So you blame Ron Paul 'THE REPUBLICAN' for both these failures???
Or is your GOD infallible?


Paul was the minority who wanted non-interventionism and as you said in the other topic his views never came to be.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Intelligence failure is due to the fact that military intelligence is an oxymoron to begin with.

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Paul was the minority who wanted non-interventionism and as you said in the other topic his views never came to be.


As I posted earlier, Paul was an ineffective congressman who never sponsored any bill of consequence.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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As I posted earlier, Paul was an ineffective congressman who never sponsored any bill of consequence.


Bills Sponsored by Ron Paul

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Kosovo, 1999–2000: Prohibits the Department of Defense from using troops in Kosovo unless specifically authorized by law.[2]

Constitutional War Powers Resolution of 2001. H.J.Res. 27, 2001-03-06. Repeals the 1973 War Powers Resolution entirely, prohibiting presidents from initiating a war without a formal declaration of war by Congress.[3] Ron Paul did not sponsor or co-sponsor the original legislation this bill proposed to repeal.
Iraq Resolution declaration of war. Motion in re H.J.Res. 114, 2002-10-02. In order to prevent Congress from yielding its Constitutional authority to declare war to the executive branch, which does not Constitutionally hold that power, gives Congress the opportunity to declare war on Iraq, rather than merely "authorizing" the president to deploy forces without a declaration of war.[4] Paul said that he would not vote for his own motion, but that if his fellow members of Congress wished to go to war in Iraq, they should follow the Constitution and declare war.

Iran and Syria: H.Con.Res. 43, 2007-01-23. Expressing the sense of Congress that the President should implement Recommendation 9 of the Iraq Study Group Report. Urges the President to implement Recommendation 9 of the Iraq Study Group Report, recommending direct diplomatic engagement with Iran and Syria toward constructive results.

Sunset of Public Law 107-243 Act of 2007. H.R. 2605, 2007-06-07. Establishes a sunset clause for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. As one of six Republicans to vote against the Iraq Resolution (which authorized military force for stated purposes without declaring war), Paul also inspired the founding of a group called the National Peace Lobby Project to promote a resolution he and Oregon representative Peter DeFazio sponsored to repeal the war authorization in February 2003. His speech, 35 "Questions That Won't Be Asked About Iraq",[5] was translated and published in German, French, Russian, Italian, and Swiss periodicals before the Iraq War began.[6]

Constitutional War Powers Amendments of 2007. H.J.Res. 53, 2007-09-25 (cosponsor). Replaces the 1973 War Powers Resolution with law ensuring the "collective judgment of both the Congress and the President" in use of war powers.


His bills didn't go anywhere because homicidal maniacs like YOU support these homicidal maniacs.  Sponsoring legislation that tries to limit the tyrants in charge of the U.S. war machine don't get a lot of public support from much of the blood thirsty Americans.  This is what Americans LOOOOOVE

Obama joking about the killing of teenagers with predator drones

Clinton gloating about the U.S. participating in the MURDER of Ghadaffi


Albright justifying the death of 500k Iraq children caused by sanctions enforced primarily by the U.S. military.


Crowd cheers for the suggestion of bombing Iran.


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So Cicero agrees...  Paul was an ineffective congressman who never sponsored any bill of consequence.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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So Cicero agrees...  Paul was an ineffective congressman who never sponsored any bill of consequence.


Yes, I agree he wasn't able stop the offensive wars that YOU and many Americans support.  But in a nation of 300 million, he did a lot more than YOU to try to stop this
U.S. government's lust for death and destruction.  He doesn't break out the pom pom's and celebrate it like you.  So yes, I agree with you again, he isn't very successful persuading a nation of patriotic killers.


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So Cicero agrees...  Paul was an ineffective congressman who never sponsored any bill of consequence.


The consequences from not passing them is what we see today, thousands of more dead troops and a world that hates our guts. Keep blowing your messiah box.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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The consequences from not passing them is what we see today, thousands of more dead troops and a world that hates our guts. Keep blowing your messiah box.


Messiah???  
A savior???
Religion???

I do worship snow... and one particular woman... but other than that ... I don't worship.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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