Ridiculous - so, unless you live in the City you cannot be committed to performing a service for the City?
Would you be more motivated to do a better job if your actions effected your own house or neighborhood, I think you would. How many cops who live outside the city do you think stay up at night wondering if there is a crime taking place on Hamilton Hill, and if they did how many do you think are saying "well better there then where I live". I'm not trying to insult you I'm just telling its human nature to be more concerned about the surroundings closest to you. So since that is human nature it is the best for everyone to have those who hold such a position to have a stake in it.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
SCHENECTADY October 11, 2012 Mayor firm on chief living in city BY KATHLEEN MOORE Gazette Reporter
" A police chief who lives outside the city will be a clear message that there’s better places to live, Mayor Gary McCarthy said. “The public will notice a difference. [The chief] is saying there’s better real estate outside the city,” McCarthy said. “I’m looking for a community leader.” McCarthy noted that there have been reports that he will promote one of the assistant chiefs even if they don’t move here. But he dismissed those reports as inaccurate. He added that he will not accept a candidate who simply has a second home in the city. The chief also cannot just rent out an apartment and still commute out of the city to his family’s home. “I would look at a strict defi nition of residency,” McCarthy said, adding, “You’re there 99 percent of the time.” “You live there, you sleep there, you mow the lawn, your neighbors know the police chief lives there,” he said. “I own property in Hamilton County. I’ve been there twice this year. I doubt they consider me a resident.” McCarthy’s priorities will be difficult to enforce. None of the civil service-approved candidates live here. The three assistant chiefs were the only candidates who took a civil service exam for the position. None of them have told the mayor that they’re willing to move."
Never did I EVER believe that I'd quote McCheesy, but when his lies come into full view...it's like shooting fish in a barrel!
Visitor, a person making over $132,000 for this position which DOES require that person live in the City, THAT PERSON SHOULD LIVE IN THE CITY!! Don't want to live in the City, then you are passed over.
Why? It's called vested interest, obeying residency laws, being the example but mostly, doing the RIGHT thing. Could you imagine what would happen if the City employees who SHOULD live in the City actually lived here? The taxes the City would be collecting? The middle class families coming back into the neighborhoods, back in our schools and the repair of our failing neighborhoods.
McCheesy just set our City back by decades with his failure to be a man.
I don't care what these non-residents think about what the terms of employment should be in the city. Having these employees have a say is one of the things that has brought the city low. We should be emulating what successful cities do. I have an article I am going to look for that mentions one of the hallmarks of a dying city which is guess what? - employees living outside and just stopping by. These things aren't just my opinion. McCheese can look it up but he knows this stuff, he isn't stupid, but he thinks that we are, evidently. I'm not goingto argue this with an outsider cop, really, you are only the hired help, visitor, here to defend the untenable. Keep it up, enjoy it while it lasts, that ability to rub our noses in it, it will be fleeting. How does it feel working for an organization held in such contempt, deservedly?
Madame X - Like I really care about your opinion. You are ignorant and of little consequence to me.
if you are a city police officer and madamX pays your salary....what gives? are the rest of us missing something?
would you rather be in the trenches with your plebs, shoring it up together, holding the standard you both set up or is it just as easy to do it with 'foreign' forces you don't really know?
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Thank you for that point, senders. Notice that visitor is resorting to attacking the person because he doesn't like what I say. Where am I being ignorant? One thing I will admit ignorance on - the SPD Officer's Code of Conduct. I looked at the city and police sites and couldn't locate it. Maybe visitor will post his copy so we can all see it.
I am not making it up about the SPD's reputation. Pretty much everyone who knows of the department holds it in low regard, except for the cops actually in the department. Yet visitor comes on here to CRITICIZE me for being critical, and whine about me being WHINY. I am not responsible for the SPD's lousy reputation. You will have to fix that for yourselves, but that ain't gonna happen because you would all have to clean up your acts. You can keep on calling people names for noticing the obvious but that will not change anyone's mind, will it?
The city is pretty much done, the goose is cooked, the cops murdered the goose that laid the golden eggs for them. McCheese is sticking the fork in it, he's just holding the carcass in place so it doesn't fall off the table while the cronies get theirs, then the cops and other employees will get to fight overthe bones that fall off the table.
Nationwide, the mood against unionized workers, and unionized public workers in general, is turning ugly. This FACT has not caught up with the SPD yet. A few (a whole lot of) rotten apples have ruined the whole idea of labor unions, which were a godsend for millions of hardworking Americans. Be proud of your place in history, rotten Schenectady police! Own it!
It can also work the exact opposite direction - would you be as willing to write your neighbior a ticket or arrest them for DWI.
Take this how ever you want but I wouldn't write tickets if I myself was guilty of doing it everyday, I mentioned it a few times how police here drive around and violate traffic laws on a regular basis. What would you say if a civilian came up to you and confronted you about this, would you write yourself a ticket or tell him to f*ck off. Yeah we know the answer to that one already don't we.
As far as arresting my neighbor for DWI who knows, was he really drunk or was he only drunk according to the machine. If he was wasted I would take him in, if he seemed ok but failed the machine I would drive him home and give him a serious warning not to do it again. That's pretty much how it is today anyways is it not. A cop I know (also SPD) once told me he could get me off a dwi,as long as I didn't hit anyone. As nice as that sounded I still used common sense, I didn't drink the other beer he offered me. I don't have to tell you that because you know the game.
If officesr living outsside the City did not care - how do you account for the 10s of thousands of arrests? Why not drive by these things?
What are the majority of those arrests, I'm guessing crimes without a victim like drug possession, prostitution am I right. Those charges do nothing but waste time and manpower, I bet people would rather that time be used on crimes where there is actually VICTIMS. Arrests where there are victims I applaud your efforts.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
FIRST....THERE IS A RESIDENCY LAW ON THE BOOKS........however, only the chosen few are exempt from that law with a crap load of excuses.
SECOND.....it is obvious that NO ONE wants to live in the scum-hole city!! Exactly how many 'tax paid' folks live in the scum-hole? METROPLEX/GILLEN was suppose to remedy that by creating not only new, high paying jobs, but to also create an environment where folks would actually WANT to move here!!!
Instead he throws FREE taxpayer's money at the 'chosen few' in way of low to no interest loans and tax exemptions.
ya just can't make this crap up!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
SCHENECTADY October 11, 2012 Mayor firm on chief living in city
“The public will notice a difference. [The chief] is saying there’s better real estate outside the city,” McCarthy said. “I’m looking for a community leader.” McCarthy noted that there have been reports that he will promote one of the assistant chiefs even if they don’t move here. But he dismissed those reports as inaccurate. He added that he will not accept a candidate who simply has a second home in the city. The chief also cannot just rent out an apartment and still commute out of the city to his family’s home.
McCarthy is a LIAR
So, did McCarthy from DV how to tell lies? Or did DV learn from McCarthy?
DV is too embarrassed post on this thread. and admit once again, that his buddy dems are screwing the taxpayers
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Surveys conducted by reserach institute does not support yoru conclusion that police are held in low regard. Most are able to separate the acts of theaverage officer with those of the screwups who got kicked out of the agency.
Clean up their acts - a dozen officers fired and or arrested for misconduct - I'd say that's cleaning house, but, you don't see it because you see what you want to see - that's what I mean by ignorant.
Code of Conduct exists - you could probably foil it, there's no reason for it to be posted on the website.
I am very proud to be a part of an agency that, despite limited resources, people work hard every day to keep the City and the residents safe.
It can also work the exact opposite direction - would you be as willing to write your neighbior a ticket or arrest them for DWI.
If officesr living outsside the City did not care - how do you account for the 10s of thousands of arrests? Why not drive by these things?
Visitor I also would not give out tickets for minor offenses like not wearing a seatbelt..... As for DWI would have no problem arresting a "neighbor" as drunk driving can injure or kill.
Back in the day most Sch'dy police DID live in our neighborhoods, A. Chaires on the Hill. Mr. M in Bellvue and they were respected because they CARED and they wanted our neighborhoods safe.
There is NO reason McCarthy can't wait to hire a police chief, wait for the next test and specify ONLY those who live in the city, pay taxes in the city and CARE about the city need apply.
Surveys conducted by reserach institute does not support yoru conclusion that police are held in low regard. Most are able to separate the acts of theaverage officer with those of the screwups who got kicked out of the agency.
Clean up their acts - a dozen officers fired and or arrested for misconduct - I'd say that's cleaning house, but, you don't see it because you see what you want to see - that's what I mean by ignorant.
Code of Conduct exists - you could probably foil it, there's no reason for it to be posted on the website.
I am very proud to be a part of an agency that, despite limited resources, people work hard every day to keep the City and the residents safe.
Is there anything on the books about code of conduct during Christmas Parties...or is that amendment forthcoming?!?!
Come on Visitor. We're not asking people to donate a kidney, we're asking people who are getting into positions of 'power' to reside in the City. It's a law, it shows people that our strength lies within our own neighborhoods and that our City employees are just that....from and within our City.
Let's stop splitting hairs here, either move or lose.
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