You left out the largest prison population in the world. That would be a more accurate example of an oppressive government.
McVeigh wasn't a prisoner... he was just one sick angry hater terrorist. If his "oppression" led him to take a shot at the govt he could have blown up that building at night and had minimal casualties. His target was moms, dads and kids who had nothing to do with Wacko Right Wing Conspiracy Theory's...
You sympathize with a mass murderer for killing little kids... so why not agree with my faux 'hate and anger' ~ My govt sent troops to Iraq... so I'll blow up a school bus tomorrow... because I'm pissed. ~ Obama didn't shut down Gitmo like he promised to do, so I'll poison the water supply of a city. ~ My taxes are too high,(even though they are lower now than in 40 year) and I am oppressed by my govt taxing me... so I'll set off a bomb at a sporting event...
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
now you really insulted me! You called me a voter!!!
The Vietnam war was commanded by both democrat and republican. Public opinion was against the war - yet it continued resulting in 58k dead Americans.
Your post is not accurate. Public opinion was at first for the war, or at the least did not oppose it.
YOU as a voter could have changed the course of that war... you refused!
America's voters could have changed the Vietnam war on at least 8 separate occasions in the voting booth. They did not.
Gene McCarthy ran against LBJ in 1968 as an anti war candidate... the voters chose LBJ. George McGovern ran against Nixon in 1972 as an anti war candidate... the voters wanted Nixon.
Public Opinion had a clear choice and both of these times voted for the Vietnam war, not against it.
In the 8 or more congressional elections and several senatorial elections, America voted for the war, not against it.
You blame the military for the war when they had no vote in most of it's outcome... yet you absolve yourself and America... who elected to support the war over and over again.
You then refuse to take responsibility for your own actions by the cop out... "Um... I didn't vote so I'm not to blame." Not voting is also a political statement of indifference to any issue. Not voting is a vote FOR the status quo.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
We're back to "When Government Does It"... Government is the elected body of our system... by extension, the American people decide these decisions when they elect our politicians.
The Military is the servant of the politicians. The Military is NOT the Govt. the politicians are... and by extension the People who elect the politicians are the govt.
Please I don't even think you believe that anymore. Not to mention our representatives gave full control of the military over to the president, no longer do we have to declare war, no longer do we have a voice or say on the matter through our reps. How are we supposed to stop the secret operations done through the CIA, they conduct operations outside our military. Truth is you have zero control over what happens with our foreign policy, you can vote according to the lies they tell you but in the end they will just be lies.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
I mean you seem to understand and condone a terrorists killing of of 168 Americans, including 19 children under the age of 6... not an act of 'war' but an act of 'terrorism' AGAINST YOUR OWN CIVILIAN COUNTRYMEN.
I don't see where anyone condoned terrorism except you.
You condone government terrorism.
Plus the government are not civilians.
Understanding what terrorism is, is not condoning it.
I think you can see it in the opposition, but you can't understand the reasoning behind it, regardless of the fact that it is your government sanctioned belief as well.
So you 'understand how some people may react to oppressive government'
~ My govt sent troops to Iraq... so I'll blow up a school bus tomorrow... because I'm pissed. ~ Obama didn't shut down Gitmo like he promised to do, so I'll poison the water supply of a city. ~ My taxes are too high,(even though they are lower now than in 40 year) and I am oppressed by my govt taxing me... so I'll set off a bomb at a sporting event... AND YOU SAY UNDERSTAND THIS TERRORIST BEHAVIOR??? I have to admit, I don't. My actions will hurt innocent people and do nothing to solve the reason for my complaints.
It's hard for you to understand actions of others that mimic those you support.
Terrorism isn't defined by which side you are on.
It's the self justified killing of the innocents affiliated with those that you feel are the guilty.
Please I don't even think you believe that anymore. Not to mention our representatives gave full control of the military over to the president, no longer do we have to declare war, no longer do we have a voice or say on the matter through our reps. How are we supposed to stop the secret operations done through the CIA, they conduct operations outside our military. Truth is you have zero control over what happens with our foreign policy, you can vote according to the lies they tell you but in the end they will just be lies.
The only influence a voter has is which person he will choose to be his duly elected homicidal maniac.
the relevance that the government can make of itself in this this world of, 'on all the time', is to pretend they have a crystal ball that pre-emptively gives them access to all kinds of resources/removal/control of resources of the masses, just to give a touch of relevance to their existence....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
I don't see where anyone condoned terrorism except you. You condone government terrorism. Plus the government are not civilians. Understanding what terrorism is, is not condoning it. I think you can see it in the opposition, but you can't understand the reasoning behind it, regardless of the fact that it is your government sanctioned belief as well.
I really don't understand your view on Anti Govt Terrorism. I DO understand a person being so pissed that they do some stupid action on an impulse. I understand the mentally ill doing things like McVeigh... they don't have the capacity of rational thought, but McVeigh was sane. He knew that his actions would kill civilians, moms dropping their kids off at day care, delivery boys, janitors, etc.
Please explain it to me. If I'm pissed because our schools suck and my taxes doubled again what sane person then decides to kill little kids? Attacking the School board president or the town assessor... at least aim your hate at a target associated with your problem.
I'm not surprised that anti govt types support McViegh and the Wackos at Waco, but target makes no sense at all. Had McVeigh blown up a govt building on the weekend, when there would be minimal people might make sense to the Anti govt wackos... but killing little kids ON PURPOSE???
So explain it to me. I really don't get their choice of target.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I really don't understand your view on Anti Govt Terrorism. I DO understand a person being so pissed that they do some stupid action on an impulse. I understand the mentally ill doing things like McVeigh... they don't have the capacity of rational thought, but McVeigh was sane. He knew that his actions would kill civilians, moms dropping their kids off at day care, delivery boys, janitors, etc.
Please explain it to me. If I'm pissed because our schools suck and my taxes doubled again what sane person then decides to kill little kids? Attacking the School board president or the town assessor... at least aim your hate at a target associated with your problem.
I'm not surprised that anti govt types support McViegh and the Wackos at Waco, but target makes no sense at all. Had McVeigh blown up a govt building on the weekend, when there would be minimal people might make sense to the Anti govt wackos... but killing little kids ON PURPOSE???
So explain it to me. I really don't get their choice of target.
Anti government terrorism is a reflection of government terrorism.
Physics. The supreme law of the land. Actions equal reactions, always.
The government terrorizes and kills the people at Waco, that energy is reflected back as anger and action back at the source.
It can be no other way. The laws of physics will make certain of it. It may not be understandable to you or recognizable, but it is simply a reaction to a perceived threat. McViegh felt it.Janet Reno felt it. Koresh felt it.
The innocent die in the crossfire.
Each innocent death will cause a ripple somewhere else.
Enough ripples become a Sunami, and a McVeigh is born.
Or a George Bush.
Obviously Bush wasn't reacting to a direct threat from Sadaam Hussien, but in fact to some other threat to his lifestyle, monetary value or other deciding factors, causing him to seek to destroy the perceived threat.
Innocence be damned.
Bottom line. You can't fight terrorism with terror. That merely escalates the war.
This is why there are so many extremists around lately nearly challenging the government to come and try to take them. They want to put the government actions on display for the world to see.
The reactions will overwhelm the initiators.
The opinion of most of the extremists, and even moderates, is that the government is no longer under the control of the people.
They truly believe this to be a threat to freedom and liberty. So they buy more ammo.
And wait. They wait for the opposition forces to continue to grow, until they can crush the threat, by use of the opposition forces that they have built one innocent death at a time.
Action equals reaction, always.
Now the solution is simple for those who can rationally observe the situation.
The government merely has to do one single thing to end future terrorism.
Stop causing it by being the biggest threat the world has ever known.
The entire world sleeps each night worrying the US will unleash it's will on anyone at any time.
Nuclear arsenal with enough energy to destroy every planet in the solar system.
A total disregard for borders, national sovereignty, due process or the lives of the innocent.
Each person that reads a news blurb of families killed by drones, rebels being supplied arms, executions beyond borders, kill lists, etc.
One simple change could end all the terrorism.
Be the desired change in the world that you want to see exist. Act in a manner that isn't a chest thumping, threatening, ready to drop the bombs at any second on any perceived threat, type of action.
If the US government followed the rules of due process and non-interference, it wouldn't keep growing enemies by the billions.
7 billion non Americans. 350 million Americans keeping them all in fear of the US.
Failure is imminent. The US must change it's actions before the Sunami comes back to it's creator.
I mean, really, is it asking too much to not be a homicidal threat to the world, in exchange for getting the bulls eye targets removed from our cities?
Anti government terrorism is a reflection of government terrorism. Physics. The supreme law of the land. Actions equal reactions, always. The government terrorizes and kills the people at Waco, that energy is reflected back as anger and action back at the source. It can be no other way. The laws of physics will make certain of it. It may not be understandable to you or recognizable, but it is simply a reaction to a perceived threat. McViegh felt it.Janet Reno felt it. Koresh felt it. The innocent die in the crossfire. Each innocent death will cause a ripple somewhere else. Enough ripples become a Sunami, and a McVeigh is born. Or a George Bush. Obviously Bush wasn't reacting to a direct threat from Sadaam Hussien, but in fact to some other threat to his lifestyle, monetary value or other deciding factors, causing him to seek to destroy the perceived threat. Innocence be damned. Bottom line. You can't fight terrorism with terror. That merely escalates the war. This is why there are so many extremists around lately nearly challenging the government to come and try to take them. They want to put the government actions on display for the world to see. The reactions will overwhelm the initiators. The opinion of most of the extremists, and even moderates, is that the government is no longer under the control of the people. They truly believe this to be a threat to freedom and liberty. So they buy more ammo. And wait. They wait for the opposition forces to continue to grow, until they can crush the threat, by use of the opposition forces that they have built one innocent death at a time. Action equals reaction, always. Now the solution is simple for those who can rationally observe the situation. The government merely has to do one single thing to end future terrorism. Stop causing it by being the biggest threat the world has ever known. The entire world sleeps each night worrying the US will unleash it's will on anyone at any time. Nuclear arsenal with enough energy to destroy every planet in the solar system. A total disregard for borders, national sovereignty, due process or the lives of the innocent. Each person that reads a news blurb of families killed by drones, rebels being supplied arms, executions beyond borders, kill lists, etc. One simple change could end all the terrorism. Be the desired change in the world that you want to see exist. Act in a manner that isn't a chest thumping, threatening, ready to drop the bombs at any second on any perceived threat, type of action. If the US government followed the rules of due process and non-interference, it wouldn't keep growing enemies by the billions. 7 billion non Americans. 350 million Americans keeping them all in fear of the US. Failure is imminent. The US must change it's actions before the Sunami comes back to it's creator. I mean, really, is it asking too much to not be a homicidal threat to the world, in exchange for getting the bulls eye targets removed from our cities?
I read your piece. Every action has a reaction... my reaction is that anti-govt wackos are far crazier than I thought.
I mean it... what you posted is nuckin futs!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Really, I thought it was merely a rational observation and suggestion. Apparently you feel the US government is beyond the reach of the laws of physics. I never said that I condone of terrorism by the government or the opposition. In fact i am firmly against it. You seem to be only capable of seeing it as terrorism when it is against the US, and that the US can never commit a terrorist act. The US routinely breeds terrorism with the death of every innocent person. How can you not comprehend that people will hate you for killing their innocent family members? It couldn't be any clearer to me. Sorry if my observation scares you.
Scares me?? I find it sad. A waste of effort. If you want to do something about the Wackos at Waco, bring a lawsuit and propose legislation to prevent such occurrences in the future. Blowing up a building does nothing... except to kill more innocents.
IMO Waco was a huge mistake. A bad situation that got out of hand in a hurry. Both sides could have avoided that situation if they put the least effort into it.
With the anti govt values you post here... it explains a lot about the Waco wackos. "Step foot on my porch and I'll shoot you!"... the end result 76 people die. Hey it was THE GOVERNMENT"... THE GOVERNMENT was on my front porch so I shot at THE GOVERNMENT. Insane!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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