We too have gone to folks homes that smoke, and you can smell it everywhere....and also in their cars. But there are many others who we can honestly say, smell nothing!!
Our friend's daughter bought a brand new little car. It wasn't until 1 year later that her parents found out that she smoked. They NEVER smelled it on her and after one year, her car still had the 'new car' smell...and yet she smoked in her car. Her remedy.....smoke with the car window open....never put ashes/butts in the ashtray....and FABREEZE...FABREEZE....FABREEZE.....
TRUE STORY!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
But if everyone quits smoking where will the taxes come from? Where will al the doctors work?
Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid - John Wayne
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If someone is a long time resident who has a lease that does not say they cannot smoke they should be left alone until it's time to renew the lease then the "landlord" can add in changes, if the renter dosen't like the changes then they have the option to move.
But if everyone quits smoking where will the taxes come from? Where will al the doctors work?
Read the above post... It costs each and every NY household an extra $900 a year to pay for the added costs of smoking. They'd have to increase the tobacco tax ANOTHER $10 A PACK just to break even in NY state.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Fine with me Cic. I'd rather smokers paid their own way in health care. All smoker should sign a health care waver that proves they are capable of paying their own costs ($500,000 minimum) when their diseased, cancer ridden, emphysema choking stinking bodies shows up at a local ER. No health care waver... no cigarettes.The problem is solved, and all NY taxpayers get a $900 tax cut.
Look at that! You are able to find solutions without government coercion. The only thing I disagree with is the providing proof. I think a 'Do Not Treat' statement should be sufficient. Kinda like people that prefer not to be resuscitated. Now were talkin choice box.
I wonder if Marines can smoke in their barracks. Do the soldiers in the U.S. military stationed over seas have to pay the premium on cigarettes bought on base due to the health hazards caused by smoking? That would be pretty ironic wouldn't it Box?
I wonder if Marines can smoke in their barracks. Do the soldiers in the U.S. military stationed over seas have to pay the premium on cigarettes bought on base due to the health hazards caused by smoking? That would be pretty ironic wouldn't it Box?
You are SOOOO curious about the US Marines... why not join up and find out the answer to all your questions. It would be the biggest educational experience of your life. You might actually get it!
When I was a kid I thought I understood how things worked. Then I got a job and found out that what "it appears to be" isn't exactly how"it really is". Again, I thought I understood the military and how things worked in the world. Then I joined the Marines and again I found out that how "it is" is not how "it appears to be" from the outside.
Cicero... you keep posting about how "it appears"... why not learn how "it really is"?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I wonder if Marines can smoke in their barracks. Do the soldiers in the U.S. military stationed over seas have to pay the premium on cigarettes bought on base due to the health hazards caused by smoking? That would be pretty ironic wouldn't it Box?
Its like drinking, soldiers can go die overseas fighting for some unknown BS, but God forbid that soldier has a beer if under 21.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Read the above post... It costs each and every NY household an extra $900 a year to pay for the added costs of smoking. They'd have to increase the tobacco tax ANOTHER $10 A PACK just to break even in NY state.
So why dont they tax them out of existence....because people would grow and roll there own and they wouldnt get the $2 billion they collect in tax, or the costs "directly related to smoking" are less than if they didnt smoke and lived and sucked the system dry of other "assistance".
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You are SOOOO curious about the US Marines... why not join up and find out the answer to all your questions. It would be the biggest educational experience of your life. You might actually get it!
Why would I do that? It isn't education it's indoctrination. Plus I'm too old; I wouldn't comply with the whole 'army of one' collectivist thing. That only really works on the young impressionable minds that don't know any different.
You didn't answer the question, do you know if soldiers stationed overseas have to pay the tax on cigs bought on base because of the health problems they cause? It would only make sense.
1. cannot smoke 2. must eat an apple a day 3. do not ingest more than 40oz sugary drink 4. must regularly visit your MD 5. must allow county nurse in to assess you monthly 6. must submit grocery bill with line items for review 7. must exercise every day and submit said program electronically 8. must abstain from drinking alcohol of more than 2oz a day(there will be blood tests)
does this sound familiar to anyone?......might it be like church dogma/directives?????? really?????
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Why would I do that? It isn't education it's indoctrination. Plus I'm too old; I wouldn't comply with the whole 'army of one' collectivist thing. That only really works on the young impressionable minds that don't know any different.
You didn't answer the question, do you know if soldiers stationed overseas have to pay the tax on cigs bought on base because of the health problems they cause? It would only make sense.
First of all... You post: "Army of One" , then call it a "collectivist thing". IMO, and Army of "ONE" is the opposite of "collectivist", it stresses the 'individual'.
First you discuss the Marines... then you confuse the issue with your "Army" comment, as if they were the same thing. You really don't have a clue do you?
"That only really works on the young impressionable minds that don't know any different". Again, not knowing any better and looking at it from the 'outside', I can understand why you see it that way. "Indoctrination"? Yes of course there is a part of it that IS indoctrination, but that is for the outward part that everyone sees, and has nothing to do with the 'education' that I referred to earlier.
As far as the tax on cigarettes at military bases... I have no idea. Butts used to be cheap in the military, but I don't know if they still are.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So why dont they tax them out of existence....because people would grow and roll there own and they wouldnt get the $2 billion they collect in tax, or the costs "directly related to smoking" are less than if they didnt smoke and lived and sucked the system dry of other "assistance".
NY State charges $4.35 in tax plus sales tax on cigarettes, the highest in the nation... and people still line up to buy them and pay the tax. Tobacco is like opium only more addictive... the addicts will pay any price to get a fix. The average 2 pack a day smoker will actually administer 400 separate doses of drugs to his system of a highly addictive substance. Like hard drugs, outlawing them will only lead to more illegal trade in the drug.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
NY State charges $4.35 in tax plus sales tax on cigarettes, the highest in the nation... and people still line up to buy them and pay the tax. Tobacco is like opium only more addictive... the addicts will pay any price to get a fix. The average 2 pack a day smoker will actually administer 400 separate doses of drugs to his system of a highly addictive substance. Like hard drugs, outlawing them will only lead to more illegal trade in the drug.
How about prescribing them like anti anxiety medication and have insurance cover it? Coffee causes a physical dependency too, maybe that should be taxed at a higher rate. Let's make coffee a social taboo too. I'm sure the government can fund a study showing to negative effects of caffeine in coffee and attach a social cost to it.
How about prescribing them like anti anxiety medication and have insurance cover it? Coffee causes a physical dependency too, maybe that should be taxed at a higher rate. Let's make coffee a social taboo too. I'm sure the government can fund a study showing to negative effects of caffeine in coffee and attach a social cost to it.
Funny to watch Cic go to the far extreme in any discussion.
Cigarettes when used as intended will often kill you. Many substances, Pepsi, Beer, even water can harm you if abused, but cigarettes when used as they were intended to be used will kill you and possibly your entire family too. If butts were addictive but harmless (like coffee) there would be no issue.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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You really don't have a clue do you?
