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A Better Rotterdam
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Not surprised, I'm on a 3 year plan to get out of here. I make more money than I thought I would 10 years ago and compared to the average american I should be rather well off, yet in NY, Schenectady county I'm barely able to enjoy a middle class lifestyle. I'm paying for services I don't use and bureaucrats that are stealing from me. We are so indebted it's gonna take decades if not generations to fix this mess.
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Quoted from bumblethru
This is a total disgrace! It is shameful! But this is what happens when there is a one party rule. Don't think for a minute that if the reps where the controlling majority....it wouldn't be the same. Even tho it is just a start.....look at the difference when someone like Riggi is representing the people!

There needs to be BALANCE!!! Everyone needs representation.


The taxpaying, elected representatives represent the non-taxpaying corporations.

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The increase in county taxes is driven primarily by the increase in cost of unfunded state mandates.   And those unfunded mandates can be blamed on decades of Democrats who controlled the State Assembly and Republicans who controlled the State Senate and Governors of BOTH parties which have refused to make any effort to address or solve the problem --- and instead have successively chosen to ADD TO the burden of unfunded state mandates passed down to taxpayers at the county level.

Unlike those who spout the conventional wisdom, I still believe that "Albany"/State Government is dysfunctional and until we - the tax payers - are willing to show our anger and VOTE OUT the incumbents  (BOTH Democrats and Republicans) "Albany" will not get the message and will remain dysfunctional and our taxes will continue to go up.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
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Quoted from A Better Rotterdam
Not surprised, I'm on a 3 year plan to get out of here. I make more money than I thought I would 10 years ago and compared to the average american I should be rather well off, yet in NY, Schenectady county I'm barely able to enjoy a middle class lifestyle. I'm paying for services I don't use and bureaucrats that are stealing from me. We are so indebted it's gonna take decades if not generations to fix this mess.


no kidding, right there with ya.....NYS is one of the best well oiled accounting machines when it comes to
plebian tax, drop, and roll.....very sad......the CAST system in NYS is run by a bunch of gumbas....


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The increase in county taxes is driven primarily by the increase in cost of unfunded state mandates.   And those unfunded mandates can be blamed on decades of Democrats who controlled the State Assembly and Republicans who controlled the State Senate and Governors of BOTH parties which have refused to make any effort to address or solve the problem --- and instead have successively chosen to ADD TO the burden of unfunded state mandates passed down to taxpayers at the county level.

Unlike those who spout the conventional wisdom, I still believe that "Albany"/State Government is dysfunctional and until we - the tax payers - are willing to show our anger and VOTE OUT the incumbents  (BOTH Democrats and Republicans) "Albany" will not get the message and will remain dysfunctional and our taxes will continue to go up.



Once AGAIN, more proof that DV is NOT a taxpayer.

The wild uncontrolled spending that of the county nursing home is NOT a mandate from the state OR the federal govt.  

The $10 million swimming pool at Schdy High is NOT and NEVER WAS a state OR federal mandate.

Exempting all the properties downtown is NOT, NEVER WAS, a mandate from the fed or state.

The wild, uncontrolled spending on re-doing Erie Blvd in an attempt to slow traffic to a crawl, is NOT a fed OR state mandate!

Spending millions on a gold ceiling at Proctors was/is NOT a mandate of the fed or state govt!

Expensive municipal trash collection with lavish pay and benefits and pensions is NOT a mandate of the fed OR state govt.

Giving high paid municipal employees expensive SUV's to take daily pleasure drives home, far out of the city and county is NOT a mandate of the fed OR state govt.

Giving money to non-profits so they can pay their "CEOs" lavish pay is NOT a mandate of the state OR fed govt!


So, DV, stop your stupid, uneducated comments as an excuse for your cheering for burdening the homeowners. STOP spewing your LIES!








Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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If the nayboobs are going to make accusations - such as that "bureaucrats are stealing" - they had better be able to back that up with actual evidence.   Every reasonable and sane person knows that the nayboobs can not back up their wild accusations and that is why no one gives their pathetic, juvenile attacks any credibility.


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If the nayboobs are going to make accusations - such as that "bureaucrats are stealing" - they had better be able to back that up with actual evidence.   Every reasonable and sane person knows that the nayboobs can not back up their wild accusations and that is why no one gives their pathetic, juvenile attacks any credibility.


The EVIDENCE, Mr Non-Taxpayer, is the STEALING from the homeowners in the form of higher taxes in order to cover the tax revenue that is not collected because of the exemptions given to the political cronies of downtown properties!!!!!!!

DUH, do you have a brain to figure that out?   That's common sense.   But then someone who does not pay taxes, does not write out that check every year to the city, county, and school district, and who does not even know how read tax rolls, wouldn't know anyway.

So, you are shaking those pom poms for the higher taxes and your dem buddies, guess you are hoping someone at the county level gives you a puppet/hack job at the county?













Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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The increase in county taxes is driven primarily by the increase in cost of unfunded state mandates.   And those unfunded mandates can be blamed on decades of Democrats who controlled the State Assembly and Republicans who controlled the State Senate and Governors of BOTH parties which have refused to make any effort to address or solve the problem --- and instead have successively chosen to ADD TO the burden of unfunded state mandates passed down to taxpayers at the county level.

Unlike those who spout the conventional wisdom, I still believe that "Albany"/State Government is dysfunctional and until we - the tax payers - are willing to show our anger and VOTE OUT the incumbents  (BOTH Democrats and Republicans) "Albany" will not get the message and will remain dysfunctional and our taxes will continue to go up.


I agree...........in theory............HOWEVER..........the METROPLEX/GILLEN is one of the main problems in this mess the city is in. For starters, if every single business paid their fair share and proctors sustained itself, the county wouldn't be in the shamefull mess it's in now. The 'give away' mandates will NEVER go away! That would be political suicide and every politician knows that. So let's start looking locally.....yes?


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The increase in county taxes is driven primarily by the increase in cost of unfunded state mandates.



Your dem buddy socialist hacks Metroplex is NOT a mandate of the state!!!!!!!!!!!!    Oh, but as you are not a taxpayer and never have been, you would not understand that






Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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If the nayboobs are going to make accusations - such as that "bureaucrats are stealing" - they had better be able to back that up with actual evidence.   Every reasonable and sane person knows that the nayboobs can not back up their wild accusations and that is why no one gives their pathetic, juvenile attacks any credibility.



THIS IS EVIDENCE OF THE STEALING!
This is the results of Metroplex, the growth in the PILOTS and the growth in Real Property Taxes and Assessments

Real Property Taxes And Assessments     

                     2010              2008               2006               2004               2002               2000           1998
County     63,583,228     60,950,259     57,322,501     51,593,403     45,109,437     42,323,271     42,362,181
City     25,594,404     27,721,271     30,407,001     34,165,603     19,073,092     15,724,599     16,346,130

Payments In Lieu Of Taxes

                                       2010            2008              2006             2004            2002            2000            1998
County                                  938,917     1,165,289     981,604     793,637     304,985     294,396     209,347
City                                      616,586     661,444     725,095     655,304     704,207     555,959     458,421


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and we are surprised why?
everything is overrideable .


We didnt come this far to get this far.
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Failure!

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The increase in county taxes is driven primarily by the increase in cost of unfunded state mandates.



Mandates like:

Raises to big fat cats like Death Ray Gillen, welfare dept friends,
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

PR man (who is Joe McQueen Glenville democrapic chair)
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

Several patronage workers who also run for or on town councils
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

A nursing home that loses 12 mil a year that we know about
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

Welfare and childcare programs that go way beyond what is state mandated
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

A library system that relies not on donors or  benefactors but on the taxpayers
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

Higher paid dept heads than state commissioners
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

Replacing vehicles with only 100,000 miles or less when today's vehicles last 250,000 miles when cared for
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

Several clerks including former dem legislator Ackermann
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

A hockey rink that won't make money
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

An airport that connected friends of democrap party get to use for cheap (and/or buy land to build on)
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

Sweetheart deal for DSS building (Wright has 'Falling Water' and Galesi has 'Tumbling Rubble' on Broadway)
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

Multi-million dollar subsidies to Proctors
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!

Other connected businesse deals that allow PILOTs lucrative to pals
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!


Several fairs and festivals inlcuding free movie night which has ZERO economic benefit to community
OOOPPS NOT MANDATED!




I could go on but I am getting tired of refuting idiots who lie, lie lie or DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS BUDGET LOOKS LIKE AND INSTEAD DRINK THE DEMOCRAP PARTY KOOLAID!!!!!!!!!!!


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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THIS IS EVIDENCE OF THE STEALING!
This is the results of Metroplex, the growth in the PILOTS and the growth in Real Property Taxes and Assessments

Real Property Taxes And Assessments     

                     2010              2008               2006               2004               2002               2000           1998
County     63,583,228     60,950,259     57,322,501     51,593,403     45,109,437     42,323,271     42,362,181
City     25,594,404     27,721,271     30,407,001     34,165,603     19,073,092     15,724,599     16,346,130

Payments In Lieu Of Taxes

                                       2010            2008              2006             2004            2002            2000            1998
County                                  938,917     1,165,289     981,604     793,637     304,985     294,396     209,347
City                                      616,586     661,444     725,095     655,304     704,207     555,959     458,421


Your response is incorrect due to several factors:
#1) The main driver of increased property taxes is the INCREASE in the cost of UNFUNDED STATE MANDATES        and the INCREASE in the cost of employee pensions and benefits.   At the same time there was a nation-wide decrease in home values which also served to raise tax assessments.
#2) A PILOT is a payment in lieu of taxes, made to compensate a local government for some or all of the t       ax revenue that it loses because of the nature of the ownership or use of a particular piece of real prop       erty.  Thus the PILOT is not taking money it is actually making a payment TO the government to offset      some special tax incentive.
#3)  The accusation was that the "bureaucrats are stealing" and your feeble attempt to respond shows ABS        OLUTELY NO PROOF that any bureaucrat or group of bureaucrats stole or took money.
#4) You fail to show that you comprehend that when economic development projects are approved with tax exemptions that they do produce economic benefits to the community and the state .. such as increased sales tax revenue, increased income tax revenue (from jobs created), etc.

So I stand by my early statement that the Nayboobs have once again made a reckless and completely uniformed false accusation.  


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numnuts- PILOT money doesnt go to the local government. It goes to METROPLEX so they can hand it out to pals, after taking it in from pals

Next, read my above post. Force yourself to. You will learn something.


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