Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Moody's drops Schenectady's bond rating
Rotterdam NY...the people's voice    Rotterdam's Virtual Internet Community    Outside Rotterdam  ›  Moody's drops Schenectady's bond rating Moderators: Admin
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 237 Guests

Moody's drops Schenectady's bond rating  This thread currently has 1,482 views. |
3 Pages « 1 2 3 » Recommend Thread
benny salami
September 27, 2012, 2:19pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
8,861
Reputation
68.97%
Reputation Score
+20 / -9
Time Online
132 days 23 hours 49 minutes
Quoted from TakingItBack
McCarthy is in way over his head.  Very skilled in his communication though.  The sheeple are
still on board.  


They are? Who? McCheese sounded like Alfred E Newman with his what me worry crap. The guy is an
unqualified DEM hack who shouldn't be allowed to be dog catcher. He sounded like a complete politard on
radio. Only idiots voted for him and those still supporting him are brain dead. He will never survive a DEM
primary. Even the DEM spinmeisters here have dropped him like a hot potato.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 15 - 34
Dirt2
September 27, 2012, 3:54pm Report to Moderator
Sr. Member
Posts
360
Reputation
66.67%
Reputation Score
+2 / -1
Time Online
4 days 11 hours 25 minutes
LOL @ Alfred, I thought the same thing.. some serious ineptness being shown on several fronts.
Logged
Private Message Reply: 16 - 34
Mr. Majestyk
September 27, 2012, 7:54pm Report to Moderator
Sr. Member
Posts
400
Reputation
80.00%
Reputation Score
+4 / -1
Time Online
13 days 22 hours 45 minutes
What me worry,or not to worry (unless you are a struggling homeowner trying to keep up with taxes, fees, etc.)   But, not to worry.   The police, fireman, city employees,council members,teachers, will be paid.    Pensions,health ins. benefits will be paid.   Trash will be picked up, teachers will report for work.   The City utility bills will be paid etc.   City employee residency law not enforced,city vehicles still being driven home.   Any tax/fee increases or gov't savings are just used to keep the status quo going.    So no,not to worry, but only for the oxen pulling the overweighted cart.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 17 - 34
GrahamBonnet
September 27, 2012, 7:55pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
9,643
Reputation
66.67%
Reputation Score
+16 / -8
Time Online
131 days 7 hours 47 minutes
PLEase dont worry about the garage- in 749 years it will be worth it.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Logged
Private Message Reply: 18 - 34
bumblethru
September 27, 2012, 8:01pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
30,841
Reputation
78.26%
Reputation Score
+36 / -10
Time Online
412 days 18 hours 59 minutes
Folks who work close to cuomo's office have said that cuomo is aware of schenectady and other municipalities that have created a dismal financial outlook....they say that cuomo will NOT bail them out.... that they will be on their own!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
Logged
Private Message Reply: 19 - 34
Mr. Majestyk
September 27, 2012, 10:15pm Report to Moderator
Sr. Member
Posts
400
Reputation
80.00%
Reputation Score
+4 / -1
Time Online
13 days 22 hours 45 minutes
Quoted from bumblethru
Folks who work close to cuomo's office have said that cuomo is aware of schenectady and other municipalities that have created a dismal financial outlook....they say that cuomo will NOT bail them out.... that they will be on their own!!!


If this is true, and many cities fail throughout the state as a result of his abstaining from help, I wonder how this will look on his resume when he takes a shot at a presidental run in the next election.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 20 - 34
Admin
September 28, 2012, 4:57am Report to Moderator
Board Moderator
Posts
18,484
Reputation
64.00%
Reputation Score
+16 / -9
Time Online
769 days 23 minutes
Quoted Text
SCHENECTADY
Mayor to trim city staff
7 cuts planned; budget proposal on tap Sunday

BY KATHLEEN MOORE Gazette Reporter

Mayor Gary McCarthy said he is cutting seven jobs from the city payroll, even though the City Council voted Sept. 10 to stop those layoffs. At least four of the seven workers will be able to “bump down” to vacant positions at lesser pay. Others also have bumping rights but might push another employee out of the workforce. McCarthy said he believes bumping could be done in such a way as to keep every current employee in a job because there are a number of vacant positions at the bottom of the ladder.
    Among the jobs being eliminated is Michael Burke’s position as parks director. Others are in the Bureau of Service, where McCarthy said he has four supervisors overseeing 12 to 16 workers.
    He doesn’t need that many supervisors, he said.
    “It’s an ongoing review of city operations: what’s necessary, what isn’t necessary,” he said. “Some of these [positions] are less critical than others.”
    The positions will be cut on Monday, he said.
    The cuts also will be included in the proposed 2013 budget, which McCarthy will unveil in a pubic presentation Sunday at 4 p.m. at City Hall.
    In the past the budget has been presented to the council at a Monday meeting. But this time, McCarthy said, he wants to give a full presentation to the public.
    The city’s fiscal state has been of increasing concern, leading to criticism from the public and fear among city workers who worry about massive layoffs.
    McCarthy said he will give a full “narrative” of the budget during the Sunday presentation. He will also present the budget to the council at 5:30 p.m. Monday, during the council’s regular committee meeting.
    As for the layoffs, the mayor said he can take action without the council’s permission.
    He said he only asked for a council vote because he was hoping to show Moody’s that he had the support of the council to cut costs.
    “And I thought I had it,” McCarthy said.
    But the council voted down the layoffs with a tie vote of 3-3.
    On Thursday, Moody’s downgraded the city’s credit rating, which will increase the city’s interest rate for new loans. That’s a problem because within a year the city must get a bond for the $20 million Bureau of Service complex. Before the downgrade, city offi cials estimated the city would pay $800,000 a year in interest on that loan.
    McCarthy said he has the power to cut the positions without the council’s approval. ...........................>>>>........................>>>>.........................http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r00101&AppName=1
Logged
Private Message Reply: 21 - 34
TakingItBack
September 28, 2012, 1:03pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
1,579
Reputation
80.00%
Reputation Score
+8 / -2
Time Online
71 days 7 hours 28 minutes
So, if the position are already vacant then there is no cash flow savings to be felt.  


Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid - John Wayne


TIP TO NEW VISITORS TO THIS FORUM - To improve your blogging pleasure it is recommended to ignore (Through editing your prefere) the posts of the following bloggers - DemocraticVoiceofReason, Scotsgod08 and Smoking Bananas.  They continually go off topic, do not provide facts and make irrational remarks. If you do not believe me, this can be proven by their reputation scores or by a sampling of their posts.  
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 22 - 34
Admin
September 30, 2012, 6:03am Report to Moderator
Board Moderator
Posts
18,484
Reputation
64.00%
Reputation Score
+16 / -9
Time Online
769 days 23 minutes
Quoted Text
More people might pay taxes if they were lower

    Re the Sept. 26 article on the city of Schenectady being downgraded by Moody’s Investors Service: I read with amusement Mayor Gary McCarthy’s response to the credit downgrading of our city.
    He stated that “if everybody paid their taxes, we wouldn’t have an issue” — basically admitting the city hadn’t collected $12 million in taxes.
    This made me think of how promoters would try to fi ll a half-fi lled stadium. They would lower ticket prices.
    Is it possible the city could collect more money if the bill was lowered?

    PETER BUTRYN
    Schenectady


http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r03200&AppName=1
Logged
Private Message Reply: 23 - 34
mikechristine1
September 30, 2012, 8:58am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
9,074
Reputation
71.88%
Reputation Score
+23 / -9
Time Online
99 days 18 hours 36 minutes
Quoted Text
In the past the budget has been presented to the council at a Monday meeting. But this time, McCarthy said, he wants to give a full presentation to the public
.


Can you hear it now?  

McCarthy standing in in the taxpayer paid tour bus.    "Thank you for coming today, I assure you I have things under control here.   Before I present to you the details of my budget, I want you to know that the state is mandating us to do things, but they won't pay us, and then there are property owners who won't pay us, and then the unions won't give in, so none of it is anything we in the city can do anything about.  As you buy houses, and more houses are occupied, more houses will be paying taxes and the taxes will go down.   Now remember to, you are getting a real bargain when you buy a house here in the city."

Blame game


Of course, McC won't divulge the additional buildings downtown that will be fixed up that will not pay taxes.   People you have to understand HOW the taxes work.

If there is a building today that is worth $1 million, you homeowners in the city are currently covering the cost IF the owner is not paying taxes on it.   When the city spends $8 million of YOUR money to fix it up and then the building is worth $15 million on the assessment roll, and then McC and his hacks exempt the property from taxes, the tax dollars that would otherwise be derived from that $15 million will be paid by YOU, the homeonwers, so your taxes will go up even ore as the city fixes up downtown and exempts them from taxes.   And ANY properties downtown that allegedly pay these so called PILOTs, open your eyes people, those PILOTs aren't bringing in an annual sum anywhere remotely close to what the full tax bill would be.

And where McC get's that it's a bargain to buy a house in the city, is it is own idea?  Is it what his council puppets say?   Is it Chris Gardner's words?   Maybe Savage's lame brain?   Or is it that foreigner Ismat who has backwards math?

In Schenectady, sure, you can buy a house for $100,000 and it's assessed for $200,000 by the city.  When you appear before the assessment board with hundreds of sale prices of houses that are substantially lower than the assessed values, the board tells you that the documentation of sale prices (which by STATE LAW is the full market value) is insufficient data so your assessment stays up there at $200,000 and you pay $8,000 in taxes.  Your house continues to drop in value but your taxes keep going up.   But that's what McC says is affordable.   At least in Saratoga when you buy a $300,000 house and you pay $6,000 in taxes, you are getting a return on your investment because your house value goes up while in Schenectady the values go down


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Logged
Private Message Reply: 24 - 34
mikechristine1
September 30, 2012, 9:00am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
9,074
Reputation
71.88%
Reputation Score
+23 / -9
Time Online
99 days 18 hours 36 minutes
Quoted from TakingItBack
So, if the position are already vacant then there is no cash flow savings to be felt.  


DUH.

The people in Schenectady are too dumb to figure that out.

And must be McC fired Cuthbert before Cuthbert could explain it in laymens terms to the city residents





Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Logged
Private Message Reply: 25 - 34
mikechristine1
September 30, 2012, 9:04am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
9,074
Reputation
71.88%
Reputation Score
+23 / -9
Time Online
99 days 18 hours 36 minutes
Quoted from Admin




YA THINK?



If these socialist dems would make fat Morris pay his taxes and all the other businesses downtown pay their full taxes, then the tax BILLS for the homeowners would go down SUBSTANTIALLY and people would pay their taxes and there wouldn't be so many tax delinquent homes.

DUH!


And it's quite obvious that the claim that downtown would be the saving grace of the city, and spending hundreds of millions of taxpayers money has not even resulted in an increase in sales tax revenue becuase, as McC stated himself, the sale tax revenue is being generated in the suburbs.   Now, wait, wasn't the city supposed to see a return on the so called "investment" in downtown?

The city will be a ghost town BEFORE they finish fixing up buildings downtown!




Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Logged
Private Message Reply: 26 - 34
Libertarian4life
September 30, 2012, 10:10am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
7,356
Reputation
50.00%
Reputation Score
+12 / -12
Time Online
119 days 21 hours 10 minutes
Quoted from Admin
More people might pay taxes if they were lower

    Re the Sept. 26 article on the city of Schenectady being downgraded by Moody’s Investors Service: I read with amusement Mayor Gary McCarthy’s response to the credit downgrading of our city.
    He stated that “if everybody paid their taxes, we wouldn’t have an issue” — basically admitting the city hadn’t collected $12 million in taxes.
    This made me think of how promoters would try to fi ll a half-fi lled stadium. They would lower ticket prices.
    Is it possible the city could collect more money if the bill was lowered?

    PETER BUTRYN
    Schenectady




Hire priceright.com to collect tax offers on the newly vacated rooms/homes.

Logged
Private Message Reply: 27 - 34
Dirt2
September 30, 2012, 12:17pm Report to Moderator
Sr. Member
Posts
360
Reputation
66.67%
Reputation Score
+2 / -1
Time Online
4 days 11 hours 25 minutes
Obviously this Peter Butryn doesn't understand " the importance of high taxes"
Logged
Private Message Reply: 28 - 34
Admin
October 1, 2012, 4:55am Report to Moderator
Board Moderator
Posts
18,484
Reputation
64.00%
Reputation Score
+16 / -9
Time Online
769 days 23 minutes
Quoted Text
After credit rating cut, McCarthy is the one who looks foolish

    Re Sept. 27 article, “Moody’s lowers city’s rating”: For the past two weeks Schenectady Mayor Gary McCarthy has been describing the recent city-county sales tax agreement as “fair,” while characterizing attempts to gain a better deal for the city as being based upon “overly simplistic” or “flawed” analysis that only a “foolish” person would believe. As the city’s former budget analyst who provided the analysis, I’d like to respond.
    The city relies on three sources for the bulk of its revenues: state aid, sales tax and property tax. Together these comprise about 70 percent of the city operating budget. State aid amounts are set in state law, leaving only two options for signifi - cant revenue which are under city control: sales tax and property tax. If one of these lags, the other must be increased to make up the shortfall.
    The facts bear this out. In 1998, Schenectady County kept $25 million in sales tax revenue. In 2012, the county will keep $60 million. During this time frame, the county property tax rate has been cut 24 percent. By comparison, in 1998 the city kept $11 million in sales tax revenue and will receive the same $11 million in 2012. During this time frame the city property tax rate has been increased 37 percent.
    This is not rocket science. If the key non-property tax revenue is increased, then property tax rates can be decreased; if the key non-property tax revenue is stagnant, then property tax rates will be increased. Schenectadians have lived this for the past 15 years. It is doubtful that many city residents would label the result as “fair.”
    The only “flawed” or “overly simplistic” piece of the analysis is that it doesn’t consider the mayor’s fealty to the county. On this, I plead guilty to being naive and perhaps even “foolish.”
    But on the financial facts, with Moody’s downgrading the city’s credit rating by two notches, assigning us a negative outlook and stating directly in its report that “the [city sales] tax has experienced minimal growth since the agreement was fi rst enacted,” it is apparent that someone else is wearing the “foolish” crown.

    JASON CUTHBERT
    Schenectady



http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r00703&AppName=1
Logged
Private Message Reply: 29 - 34
3 Pages « 1 2 3 » Recommend Thread
|

Rotterdam NY...the people's voice    Rotterdam's Virtual Internet Community    Outside Rotterdam  ›  Moody's drops Schenectady's bond rating

Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread