Quoted from senders

I can't say as we blame the 'police' themselves personally, because anyone who knows me knows that I could
NEVER be a police officer, but they exist under laws/regulations made over a couple of generations....

perception of 'control' leads to my postscript listed below.....shame shame shame....

now it is time for the 'unwinding'....

I absolutely agree.

It is in fact the time for the unwinding.

And you are correct, one cannot blame an individual(police officer) for the creation of the collective.

The solution is simple.

Power down robocops.

Portugal legalized all drugs in 2000.

The end of society never happened.

The prison industrial complex has closed many of it's doors, unburdening the taxpayers with useless incarcerations for crimes against the state.

Europe has open borders, whereby people travel freely without showing their papers at every jurisdictional boundary.

Homeland security, the TSA, the BATF, the DEA, the Border Patrols, etc.

All have more affect on escalating violence and death, for the offenses, which are a lesser evil, than the actual enforcement and subsequent erosion of freedoms and liberty.

Fact:

No amount of money can prevent terrorism.

Not even close.

Terrorism is prevented by freedom and trust.

Prohibition solved nothing, yet the past is being repeated expecting to make peace.

That is an unlikely scenario.

Kids take violence to a new level each year.

They learn that might makes right by watching the actions of those in power.

Now on a local level, what exact steps could be taken to reduce crime and violence, thereby unburdening the taxpayers of economic meltdown.

1. Cut taxes. People commit crimes out of desperation routinely to save their homes, and their families, from ruin.

2. Stop the roadblocks, wiretaps, aggressive traffic stops(fishing), etc. Give people the chance to live peaceably.

3. The police need to learn proper de-escalation techniques, instead of shoot first, whenever they feel threatened. Feeling threatened is not grounds for summary executions. An actual threat to the officer's life must be imminent. The cops recently shot a mentally unstable man in a group home that was being disorderly. He had one arm and one leg. The cops claimed he cornered them with a weapon. He was holding a pen. This has become routine and justifiable.

4. People do not want midnight raids of pot smokers’ or dealers homes, with SWAT teams, dressed in black rousting them out of bed in the dead of night, breaking down doors and terrorizing sleepy parents and their crying kids. Non-violent violations deserve non-violent enforcement actions. Nonviolent drug dealers disappeared when enforcement went military and justifiably homicidal on them. Gangstas and gangs are born because they share a common homicidal enemy. This is a simple fix. Police should only use physical violence or deadly force for actual criminal activity that is threatening death or physical violence. The police in the UK are only now adding armed officers. Not a lot, but a few. With it they are getting more violent reactions from the criminals. Do UK cops have special magic powers that allows them to arrest drug dealers without death and violence? Yes, it's called human decency and using appropriate force for the offense. In 2010, Berkeley, with a population of 110,000, including a significant minority community, had zero police killings because of new non-confrontational police training. The culture of overwhelming force and shock and awe is a spillover from the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It has no place here in civilian life. We may have many fine local and caring police officers, but the attitude and reputation of our police force is the responsibility and reflection of the heads of our police department. The police chief could adopt modern attitudes of service and courtesy toward citizens, instead one of aggression and confrontation.


The children are watching and learning from your actions.

Do you want a future full of police hating gangstas, or a future of respectful peaceful citizens?



Replace aggressive law enforcement with strong moral values.

the problem comes down to the 'morals'.....

who's morals?

separation of church and state lays the weight upon society's shoulders NOT the governments

Quoted from senders

the problem comes down to the 'morals'.....

who's morals?

separation of church and state lays the weight upon society's shoulders NOT the governments

The church?

Religion and the church are personal options.

Society should have a respectful and open path to religion, but it should not require the acceptance of a series absolute and fixed beliefs.

The government should not be used to mandate values, but to display strong values through it's actions.

The use of aggressive force and weapons, is the issue at hand.

The government needs to learn to solve problems, while respecting each individuals rights, and without using inappropriate amounts of force, detainment or search.

Let's face it, you can strip search all the grannies you want at every airport. It will never stop some extremist from standing on a roadway near the runway with a shoulder fired rocket launcher.

The act of displaying mistrust of the citizens in every aspect of their lives promotes fear and hatred of authority.

This brings us back to my original premise that police and government cause gangs to be born.

The war is between the families of the addicted soul and the drug dealers........the drugs in the city, town, state....are more readily  available than flu shots...

and it's been a proven fact that crime is associated with drugs.....

now with designer drugs it's worse......

Bath salts is now a choice and leads to very violent behavior.....and then a newer one called Kiss......just heard it on the news this am...

So, before this goes further with the pictures of tanks, guns,  bodies.......realize that there are more drugs out there than the police can confiscate....

.and yes there are gangs and they claim territorial rights....

It's not about the drugs in Mom's medicine cabinet....the media tries to shove this down your throat....

lib

don't know where to begin.

Violence in teh drug trade is due to the fact that it is a lucrative, illict economy.  Participants in that drug market rob each other and fight over turf.  It has nothing to do with the police.

Posting pictures of police armed vehicles is a disingenuous tactic re: the reality of police use of force.  Police use of force is extremely rare.  Police use of
those types of vehicles is even more rare.  Police use force is less that 2% of tehir encounters with citizens, it could be even lower than that.

Once again - you denigrate the poor and minority groups to a feeble state of mind, who are not responsible for their actions.  They are not capable of making decisions about violence - they mimic what they see.  

RE: terrorism - so America is to blame for Al Quaida - if we just allow trust and freedom - they will stop their Jihad?  OK

RE: Rockefeller Drug Laws since the early 90s the average sentence for someone selling cocaine or heroin on the street is, at most, 1-3 or 2-4, if a gun was not involved and/or a first offense = a lesser sentence - 6 months in boot camp jail, 6 months in county jail and 5 years probation, and under the more lenient guidelines which came about a few years ago - there is no mandatory minimum sentence.    

Gangs were born when the police function in this country was in its' infancy.

For example, crime and violence in NYC were more a product of the great migration, limited opportunities for upward mobility (e.g., employment, housing, education) and the extednded consequences of slavery's impact on the deterioration of minority family structure. Those problems were never successfully addressed and  teh drug trade exacerbated those problems.

Or maybe police in UK are adding more guns because of teh increasing violent nature of crime.

Quoted from visitor

lib
RE: terrorism - so America is to blame for Al Quaida - if we just allow trust and freedom - they will stop their Jihad?  OK

Is Al Qeada attacking Switzerland?  How about China?  Are they bombing New Zeland?  I haven't heard of any attacks against Iceland.  Why is the Jihad against the United States and not these countries?  Would the Jihad be a response to U.S. meddling in the Middle East?  Would it have anything to do with U.S. troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Turkey.  

Visitor you say that the police use little violence, but the fact is, the authority granted by government to the police to detain a person against their will is a threat of violence.  That is the constant threat of violence when patroling the streets.  When a cop is in your rearview mirror, the first thought that goes through most peoples mind is "I hope he doesn't pull me over", not "there is a hero behind here to protect me".

The word gang ......this has been around for years .....think of the Mafia....

they were mobsters first... then the name Mafia came to light ...more like....enemy and then insurgents.


it all meas the same thing......

  At Least The Rich Don't Control The Political AND Judicial System !! eVEN when Involving Land D/StEALS AND SUCH!!!

Quoted from CICERO

Is Al Qeada attacking Switzerland?  How about China?  Are they bombing New Zeland?  I haven't heard of any attacks against Iceland.  Why is the Jihad against the United States and not these countries?  Would the Jihad be a response to U.S. meddling in the Middle East?  Would it have anything to do with U.S. troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Turkey.  

It's only because they have priorities.

We are #1, but don't kid yourself - they are on the list too.  The only countries that are not are the ones that are already Islamist.

Quoted from JackBauer

It's only because they have priorities.

We are #1, but don't kid yourself - they are on the list too.  The only countries that are not are the ones that are already Islamist.

Yup, they made the list pretty clear, it included any country that had troops deployed and or stationed in the Middle East.  

Based on your religious theory, Vatican City should be under constant assault.

Quoted from visitor

lib

don't know where to begin.

Violence in teh drug trade is due to the fact that it is a lucrative, illict economy.  Participants in that drug market rob each other and fight over turf.  It has nothing to do with the police.

It has everything to do with the law and law enforcement. The illegality makes it lucrative and deadly.

Quoted from visitor

Posting pictures of police armed vehicles is a disingenuous tactic re: the reality of police use of force.  Police use of force is extremely rare.  Police use of
those types of vehicles is even more rare.  Police use force is less that 2% of tehir encounters with citizens, it could be even lower than that.

Use of force is totally and outrageously amped up higher than the offense deserves in most cases.

Quoted from visitor

Once again - you denigrate the poor and minority groups to a feeble state of mind, who are not responsible for their actions.  They are not capable of making decisions about violence - they mimic what they see.  

Yes.
They learn to settle disputes the way disputes are settled against them by the enforcement community.

Quoted from visitor

RE: terrorism - so America is to blame for Al Quaida - if we just allow trust and freedom - they will stop their Jihad?  OK

Hillary Clinton admitted giving birth to Al Quaida to ward off the Soviets.

Quoted from visitor

RE: Rockefeller Drug Laws since the early 90s the average sentence for someone selling cocaine or heroin on the street is, at most, 1-3 or 2-4, if a gun was not involved and/or a first offense = a lesser sentence - 6 months in boot camp jail, 6 months in county jail and 5 years probation, and under the more lenient guidelines which came about a few years ago - there is no mandatory minimum sentence.    

It's too late, you already upgraded the crime to life threatening status making a weapon mandatory to protect your own existence.

The illegality causes the violence.

The enforcement adds violence where no violence even exists.

While the bystanders continue to die.

Quoted from visitor

Gangs were born when the police function in this country was in its' infancy.

For example, crime and violence in NYC were more a product of the great migration, limited opportunities for upward mobility (e.g., employment, housing, education) and the extednded consequences of slavery's impact on the deterioration of minority family structure. Those problems were never successfully addressed and  teh drug trade exacerbated those problems.

Al Queda is a gang.

The US created them and funded them to drive out the soviets.

The limited upward mobility was caused by prohibition of anything that allows the poor to get ahead a little bit.

The drug trade is the result of a deadly fully declared war on them.

The government has gambling, the people can't

The government sanctions legal drug dealers and forbids any sort of alternatives for those who wish to do otherwise.

The government teaches problem solving with weapons and superior use of violent force.

Quoted from CICERO

Is Al Qeada attacking Switzerland?  How about China?  Are they bombing New Zeland?  I haven't heard of any attacks against Iceland.  Why is the Jihad against the United States and not these countries?  Would the Jihad be a response to U.S. meddling in the Middle East?  Would it have anything to do with U.S. troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Turkey.  

Visitor you say that the police use little violence, but the fact is, the authority granted by government to the police to detain a person against their will is a threat of violence.  That is the constant threat of violence when patroling the streets.  When a cop is in your rearview mirror, the first thought that goes through most peoples mind is "I hope he doesn't pull me over", not "there is a hero behind here to protect me".

The rights and freedoms have been taken step by step by a government that teaches people to trust no one.

Search everyone. Roadblocks and checkpoints yield 1-2% arrests

This method was would have gotten the enforcers killed, had they tried it on the founding fathers.

Al Queda learned their methods from their US backers.

Now they realize that the US doesn't belong in the middle east and seek to remove it.

They kill the innocent to punish the guilty.

A great American past time.

Sending drones into Al Queda homes and villages will definitely get US citizens killed in the future.