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Loki
September 16, 2012, 4:32pm Report to Moderator
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Perhaps, you are too ignorant to understand that the state constitution requires the state to provide public education and that the state has control over how that public education is delivered.  At one time, it was provided by one room school houses, which gave way to with time and necessity to larger schools (many school districts in the state had K-12 in one building for a number of decades) and those in turn gave way to the central school districts and city school districts ----- which now number over 500.

You could argue that the one room school houses and the single building K-12 districts and, now, the central school districts and city districts are ALL state mandates --- and they are --- But they are NOT unfunded mandates as the state long-ago made provision for these districts to finance their operations through a school property tax.

My proposal -- which is one that MANY others have advocated for at least the past 3 or 4 decades -- is that the ADMINISTRATION be consolidated ---- by eliminating the 500+ central and city school districts with 62 county school districts.    It has been proven to save money and make educational administration more effective and efficient in the numerous states that have a similar set up.

There is simply no good reason to pay multiple superintendents and other district administrator salaries (in Schenectady County - we have 7 of every position - 7 superintendents, 7 business managers, 7 (or more) assistant/deputy superintendents.  and on and on).  

I really don't care that you and your nayboob comrades are so immature and ignorant that you have to resort to personal attacks --- I know that the facts are solidly on my side.   I will continue to call for the consolidation of school districts (and other taxing districts) because I know that this is a 21st century solution that will save taxpayer dollars, reduce redundancy and waste --- and ultimately will make our state more competitive.


DemocraticVoiceOfReason, I notice that you complain that others resort to personal attacks, which certainly may be the case, yet you yourself in this post alone  use that tactic four times. It would seem to this humble observer that by doing that you leave yourself open to further attacks and so on. Would not a more reasonable approach be to ignore rather than retaliate? I find this type of discourse does nothing but cloud the debate. Are we to next seek out each other and perform acts of violence? I would deem that a rather childish and pathetic way of engaging the issues that are important to us. Very, very disappointed in how the debates are conducted here. Very disappointed.
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No, I don't love the state mandates.  I have been calling for action to fix this problem for many years.


And of course IF it was consolidated then there would be the state ordered MANDATE that children be bused far outside their own neighborhood, you know, the juvenile delinquents from the city would have to be bused out to Scotia, maybe way out to Duanesburg, etc.  

Add a "county level" superintendent, then have an assistant superintendent for what is currently the districts so that would be the current superindentents.  

Then of course, add the buses, the gas, the  maintenance, the higher insurance costs, etc to take kids much further.

You don't believe that under your suggest that the kids who currently go to what is now known as the Schdy district, you don't think they will continue in the same buildings.   They WILL BE bused far away, at the expense of those of us who own homes and are taxpayers, unlike you  who does not pay taxes, except whatever tax there is on all the food that maintains the size of your middle.

And just think when the cops are on the hill and backup is needed and they leave your mommies' neighborhood unattended.

And then think of how the taxes for what are currently the towns will go up to pay for things that are now the city and people in the towns leave Schenectady altogether

By the way, are you yet able to provide the evidence that county level taxes are less than they were 50 years ago?    Huh?   What was that answer I heard?  


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Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Here is the proof from DV that the county taxes are lower now than 50 years ago:












Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Quoted from mikechristine1


You don't believe that under your suggest that the kids who currently go to what is now known as the Schdy district, you don't think they will continue in the same buildings.   They WILL BE bused far away, at the expense of those of us who own homes and are taxpayers, unlike you  who does not pay taxes, except whatever tax there is on all the food that maintains the size of your middle.


Doesn't matter. This is why Transfinders can re-locate to Schenectady - the bus system for the City is a multi-million dollar industry that the school district NEVER addresses.

Consolidation means shi* in this area. All it will do is cover incompetence in most every Schenectady County town and city. It won't save any money - it will only make it harder to follow the money trail.

They'll cut one position and then create some 'oversight' committee with 10 people for the same position.

You don't need consolidation - you need people with a spinal cord, brain and money savvy...something the County and City sorely lack.
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Using current school bus transportation prices it would cost $30 million to transport 3,000 students to a consolidated district school for a 10 month school year. On top of that there is no school system with enough spare room to accommodate consolidation.

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Using current school bus transportation prices it would cost $30 million to transport 3,000 students to a consolidated district school for a 10 month school year. On top of that there is no school system with enough spare room to accommodate consolidation.



There are only 183 days of school




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There are only 183 days of school


3,000 students times the average cost of $50 per student, per day, transportation, times 183 = $27,450,000

I was basing it on 20 days average per month.

The actual figure is 18.3 average days per month,

27 million is still nearly half the Schenectady School district budget.

Consolidating schools will not save money.

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If you really want to save money on education, have 2 days of classes online for all students, with each teacher overseeing hundreds at a time.

Then have classes that require the student be physically present, like physical education and testing, 3 days a week or less.

This would save the entire county tens of millions of dollars per year.

Schools would be less crowded since the days of the students taking classes at home could be staggered.

Fewer teachers would be needed.

Transportation costs would be cut by 40%.

Obviously this would not be intended for students below the age where they can stay at home alone.



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Quoted from Libertarian4life
If you really want to save money on education, have 2 days of classes online for all students, with each teacher overseeing hundreds at a time.

Then have classes that require the student be physically present, like physical education and testing, 3 days a week or less.

This would save the entire county tens of millions of dollars per year.

Schools would be less crowded since the days of the students taking classes at home could be staggered.

Fewer teachers would be needed.

Transportation costs would be cut by 40%.

Obviously this would not be intended for students below the age where they can stay at home alone.






this is more of where the trend will be......after 8th grade no reason for building every day/all day.....


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The problem isn't lack of revenues it's that the DEM morons spend too much. McCheese can't even read a  financial report. But he was a phony "job creator" and "law enforcement expert". Supporting Hull was a no
brainer. That McCheese wasted police to watch a budget analyst speaks volumes. Where's Visitor on this waste of police resources? Waiting for a prepared statement? The County is also screwed. First the needless Library
expansion Downtown that looks like s#$% and now the new County Home.

      Soon there will be no excess County money to spread around. While Fulton, Montgomery and Saratoga closed public homes these DEM idiots build a new one. County taxes are minor compared to town. When the City goes the whole County is done.
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DemocraticVoiceOfReason, I notice that you complain that others resort to personal attacks, which certainly may be the case, yet you yourself in this post alone  use that tactic four times. It would seem to this humble observer that by doing that you leave yourself open to further attacks and so on. Would not a more reasonable approach be to ignore rather than retaliate? I find this type of discourse does nothing but cloud the debate. Are we to next seek out each other and perform acts of violence? I would deem that a rather childish and pathetic way of engaging the issues that are important to us. Very, very disappointed in how the debates are conducted here. Very disappointed.


Suggesting that someone is ignorant of the facts or calling them a "nayboob" (a term that I coined to cover negative people who just complain all the time) is nothing compared to the  quite specific personal attacks launched against me and members of my family.    By the way - none of my family is either involved in public service or with this website at all.  

As for threats of violence, I have never threatened anyone anywhere but some person who are on this website or who have been on this website have made threats of violence against me personally (here and in other settings)  and have attempted to blackmail me for posting my opinion on this website.



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Suggesting that someone is ignorant of the facts or calling them a "nayboob" (a term that I coined to cover negative people who just complain all the time) is nothing compared to the  quite specific personal attacks launched against me and members of my family.    By the way - none of my family is either involved in public service or with this website at all.  

As for threats of violence, I have never threatened anyone anywhere but some person who are on this website or who have been on this website have made threats of violence against me personally (here and in other settings)  and have attempted to blackmail me for posting my opinion on this website.



I see. So am I to conclude then that you find it necessary to resort to the same tactics as those used against you as a proper response? I find that equally as immature as those who would disparage yourself and your family. What ever happened to turning the other cheek? It would seem to this observer that you sir are equally at fault for the childish discourse that pervades this arena. You seem to be intelligent and have valid points to make, yet by resorting to schoolyard tactics yourself, in my opinion you lose all of your credibility.
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I see. So am I to conclude then that you find it necessary to resort to the same tactics as those used against you as a proper response? I find that equally as immature as those who would disparage yourself and your family. What ever happened to turning the other cheek? It would seem to this observer that you sir are equally at fault for the childish discourse that pervades this arena. You seem to be intelligent and have valid points to make, yet by resorting to schoolyard tactics yourself, in my opinion you lose all of your credibility.


If you were a fair observer of what goes on here, you would hardly say that I am equally at fault.  Just for the record, I have certain folks like MikeChristine, Joeboxer, GrahamBonnet on permanent ignore -- they are not worth wasting any of my time to even read let alone respond to them --- and I occasionally add others who act like bullies or just tend to whine on endlessly.


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Back to the thread topic.  

Since most of the sales tax is generated in the towns of Rotterdam, Niskayuna and Glenville, these towns should receive more of the sales tax revenue.   With modern computer systems, it would be very easy to determine how much of the sales tax is raised in each municipality --- and the sales tax revenue should be distributed proportionately to where it was raised.  


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Back to the thread topic.  

Since most of the sales tax is generated in the towns of Rotterdam, Niskayuna and Glenville, these towns should receive more of the sales tax revenue.   With modern computer systems, it would be very easy to determine how much of the sales tax is raised in each municipality --- and the sales tax revenue should be distributed proportionately to where it was raised.  


...With a modern computer system?  The state could do it with a simple excel spreadsheet.  Businesses have to send in quarterly sales taxes, and the business has an address and zip code.  At the very least they could determine how much is collected by zip code fairly easy.


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