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   Do you believe that the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church, with respect to abortion, MUST, by law, be imposed upon all Americans?


I know it's fun to beat-up on DV, but I don't understand the line of questioning.  What I understand to be DV's position is that people of the Catholic faith should leverage the Catholic voting bloc to force their representatives to vote on legislation in accordance to the Catholic doctrine.  If the congressman or women doesn't vote that way, Catholic's shouldn't support them.  That is no different than the environmental waco's that leverage their global warming or climate change or whatever goofy beliefs they have against their representatives to vote for environmental legislation.

So the question goes back to you...Do you believe that secular environmentalist, with respect to environmental regulations like forcing everybody to buy CFL bulbs, MUST by law, be imposed upon the American People?  Can congressmen  and women bring their secularist environmental views with them and vote their conscience?


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If you believe it is a representative democracy(I don't), then your representatives personal beliefs will follow him/her to Washington DC and legislate based on his/her beliefs which most likely reflect his/her constituents.

I agree, personal religious views should not be FORCED onto the entire country, just like secular views should not be FORCED onto the entire country.  

I'm curious, what gives the secularist more rights to bring their personal beliefs to Washington DC and force their beliefs onto the entire country, and Christians cannot?


Prochoice is not exclusively a secular view. Sever pro-choice religious views have been shared. In any case, unlessyou are being forced to have an abortion than that secular view isn't being forced on you. You are being allowed to maintain  your belief by simply choosing g to live by your moral code of no abortions. No view is being forced on you, you get to choose.
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Prochoice is not exclusively a secular view. Sever pro-choice religious views have been shared. In any case, unlessyou are being forced to have an abortion than that secular view isn't being forced on you. You are being allowed to maintain  your belief by simply choosing g to live by your moral code of no abortions. No view is being forced on you, you get to choose.


The pro life moral code is to protect innocent life.  If my neighbor is about to kill their 1 day old child, it is my moral responsibility to stop it.  Just because I choose not to kill my kids doesn't mean I allow my neighbor to kill their defenseless child.  The pro choice argument hinges on whether the 25 week fetus that survives a botched medical abortion is less worthy of life than the 25 week old fetus naturally born prematurely.


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But God and God's will/law will endure forever.


So that means that laws regarding abortion in the U.S. MUST be EXCLUSIVELY be based on God's will/law with God being the God as Roman Catholics believe along with the Roman Catholic church's teachings on abortion.

Again, DV, ANSWER THE DANG QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!    Do you believe all Americans--of any religion or lack of, must be subject to the teachings of the Roman Catholic church when it comes to abortion?   How then does that allow people freedom of religion and religions beliefs if all people must obey the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church even if they are not Catholic, not Christian, not any religion?



    


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Or so is your interpretation of God's law...obviously not every denomination agrees that life begins at conception...either way these are recognized religions and based on your own arguments they should be able to voice their opinions and live their lives based on those religious beliefs. If they have to abide by only the Catholic version of Christanity or God then that's really not having religious freedom now is it?



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And DV absolutely positively will NOT provide any EVIDENCE where it is written that God's law specifically says life begins at conception.






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And DV absolutely positively will NOT provide any EVIDENCE where it is written that God's law specifically says life begins at conception.

Gods law doesn't specify what age murder is recognized as murder either.  So in that case...








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prenatal.....non-discrimination act.....

why? why bother?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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The Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act is important because most of the civilized world has laws (even those that otherwise allow abortion) which prohibit abortion for the purpose of gender selection.   Technically, it is a violation of the UN Declaration of Human Rights to allow gender selection abortions.   Finally - the United States remains company with Communist China. North Korea, India and a tiny handful of Sharia law loving countries that still allow abortions for gender selection.

Oh --- and just to be clear about this --- the overwhelming majority of unborn babies killed in the womb by gender selection abortion are FEMALE  .........................   so if you really want to be serious about Women's Rights you would oppose gender selection abortion.


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The Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act is important because most of the civilized world has laws (even those that otherwise allow abortion) which prohibit abortion for the purpose of gender selection.   Technically, it is a violation of the UN Declaration of Human Rights to allow gender selection abortions.   Finally - the United States remains company with Communist China. North Korea, India and a tiny handful of Sharia law loving countries that still allow abortions for gender selection.

Oh --- and just to be clear about this --- the overwhelming majority of unborn babies killed in the womb by gender selection abortion are FEMALE  .........................   so if you really want to be serious about Women's Rights you would oppose gender selection abortion.


IMO, this is one of those issues where people choose up sides, and any sign of weakness on the smallest
point is an opening for a full attack.
Had both sides been reasonable in this issue from the start, I imagine that by now there would be
reasonable laws concerning parental notification, late term abortions and other important issues.

With the right using every possible avenue to kill Roe v Wade, there is no way anyone can 'compromise' on
even the smallest issue.  Even if they agree, the opposition will dig in and never give an inch.

When every spending bill, every food for kids bill, every jobs bill, every highway bill, has a restrictive
abortion bill attached to it, and they are all held hostage to force an anti choice bill... the Right has left
not room for any kind of serious discussion on any issue attached to the topic.

The Rights extremism has only accomplished a permanent resolve against any compromise... even on this
bill that many on the Left might agree with.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act is important because most of the civilized world has laws (even those that otherwise allow abortion) which prohibit abortion for the purpose of gender selection.   Technically, it is a violation of the UN Declaration of Human Rights to allow gender selection abortions.   Finally - the United States remains company with Communist China. North Korea, India and a tiny handful of Sharia law loving countries that still allow abortions for gender selection.

Oh --- and just to be clear about this --- the overwhelming majority of unborn babies killed in the womb by gender selection abortion are FEMALE  .........................   so if you really want to be serious about Women's Rights you would oppose gender selection abortion.


Phallic worship comes in many forms


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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