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I'm waiting for the day that science that can positively identify the genetics that makes a person gay and what the Dems will do if people start choosing abortion because of  a "undesired" result of a test...what a Quandary!

Or the defective CONSERVATIVE gene... that rejection should be automatic!  

Quoted from Box A Rox

Abortion doesn't FORCE anyone to have one.  It makes it legal and SAFE for anyone who wants one.  
Religious laws are ok for that religion, but not in a country that has a Constitution that guarantees that
no religion will make the laws.
The bible condemns stealing... so does civil law.  But the latter isn't dependent on the former... it's
independent from it.

Oh, we're back to the abortion topic, I was talking about your gleeful support of mandated health insurance.  I'm still responding to the post that you don't want "religious" values forced onto you, but you have no problem forcing your values onto everybody else.

I love box's Somalia comment.  He would have said the same thing to those that opposed the fugitive slave act.  Go to another country if you don't like the slave laws.  LOL

Quoted from CICERO

Oh, we're back to the abortion topic, I was talking about your gleeful support of mandated health insurance.  I'm still responding to the post that you don't want "religious" values forced onto you, but you have no problem forcing your values onto everybody else.
I love box's Somalia comment.  He would have said the same thing to those that opposed the fugitive slave act.  Go to another country if you don't like the slave laws.  LOL

No govt is perfect... I want more govt in some areas, less in others.  But you want NO GOVT.  Why stay here.
Downtown Mogadishu is about 100 degrees this time of year!  

Quoted from Box A Rox

No govt is perfect... I want more govt in some areas, less in others.  But you want NO GOVT.  Why stay here.
Downtown Mogadishu is about 100 degrees this time of year!  

I might think about it, but I still have to worry about US gunships bombing my new 3rd world home.lol

Quoted from CICERO

I might think about it, but I still have to worry about US gunships bombing my new 3rd world home.lol

YEA!  It's called No Gumment Freedom!  Don't ya love it!

(If in reality Cicero went to a place where there is no govt...he'd be crawling back in just a few short
months telling us how terrible it was there.)

"Please, please... PLEASE... give me back MY govt!"

Quoted from CICERO

I might think about it, but I still have to worry about US gunships bombing my new 3rd world home.lol

YEA!  It's called No Gumment Freedom!  Don't ya love it!

(If in reality Cicero went to a place where there is no govt...he'd be crawling back in just a few short
months telling us how terrible it was there.)

"Please, please... PLEASE... give me back MY govt!"

Quoted from Box A Rox

YEA!  It's called No Gumment Freedom!  Don't ya love it!

(If in reality Cicero went to a place where there is no govt...he'd be crawling back in just a few short
months telling us how terrible it was there.)

"Please, please... PLEASE... give me back MY govt!"

Box, there is a government.  My town has a town board and county has a county legislature.  I don't know where I said "no gov't".  You must be saying that for effect.

Quoted from CICERO

Box, there is a government.  My town has a town board and county has a county legislature.  I don't know where I said "no gov't".  You must be saying that for effect.

So you DO want "The Government" to tell you what to do!  Town planning board... County taxes, School
district taxes... Don't build a shed here... Don't put up a fence there... Just like the rest of America.

Not much of a radical  

Quoted from Box A Rox

So you DO want "The Government" to tell you what to do!  Town planning board... County taxes, School
district taxes... Don't build a shed here... Don't put up a fence there... Just like the rest of America.

Not much of a radical  

I've always said there is a role for small local government to resove property disputes.  Not force me to buy insurance.  The problem is, the local governments accept so much state and federal money with strings attached, the local representatives are just proxies for the state and federal government.  They aren't representing the people that elected them.

As for public schools, they are the federal government church of indoctrination.  Schools, if publicly funded, should be run and funded by neighborhoods and kept as small and local as possible.  

Quoted from CICERO

I've always said there is a role for small local government to resove property disputes.  Not force me to buy insurance.  The problem is, the local governments accept so much state and federal money with strings attached, the local representatives are just proxies for the state and federal government.  They aren't representing the people that elected them.

As for public schools, they are the federal government church of indoctrination.  Schools, if publicly funded, should be run and funded by neighborhoods and kept as small and local as possible.  

If you don't like your schools, private or home school.  No problem.  

I'd love to watch Cicero open his local & County tax bill!  

Quoted from Box A Rox

No... we actually DO have the freedom FROM religion.  I am free to practice MY religion or no religion at all
if I choose... and not be forced to abide by the religion of others.  

At the risk of questioning your reading ability, the U.S. Constitution clearly says:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Nowhere does it say in the U.S. Constitution that there is a Freedom FROM Religion.  And furthermore, the very fact that they grouped the Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly and Freedom to Petition the Government within the same 1st Amendment tells me two things  #1) It is among the most important Freedoms bestowed by our Creator God which can not be taken away by government and  #2) the exercise of the Freedom of Religion INCLUDES the Freedom to incorporate one's religious beliefs into their constitutionally protected speech, their constitutionally protected ability to assemble and their constitutionally protected right to petition government.

So even though the Democratic National Convention attempted to remove God from their platform and had the gall  (constitutionally protected) to boo the efforts to reinsert God into their platform, they need to be reminded that people of faith are fed up with the Neo-Liberal leftist lurch of the party and will cast our votes for people who RESPECT and SUPPORT our Constitution and our deeply held faith-based beliefs.

I should point out that the national association of black pastors - which supported Obama in 2008 - is now solidly opposed to his reelection.   Likewise, the Catholic hierarchy and laity are finally saying to Catholic politicians that it is not enough to be a C.I.N.O.  to get our vote.  You want our vote than you need to STAND UP in the halls of government and actually vote in a manner that reflects our faith.  If you don't - then don't bother to come around pandering for our contributions or votes.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

At the risk of questioning your reading ability, the U.S. Constitution clearly says:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Nowhere does it say in the U.S. Constitution that there is a Freedom FROM Religion.  And furthermore, the very fact that they grouped the Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly and Freedom to Petition the Government within the same 1st Amendment tells me two things  #1) It is among the most important Freedoms bestowed by our Creator God which can not be taken away by government and  #2) the exercise of the Freedom of Religion INCLUDES the Freedom to incorporate one's religious beliefs into their constitutionally protected speech, their constitutionally protected ability to assemble and their constitutionally protected right to petition government.

So even though the Democratic National Convention attempted to remove God from their platform and had the gall  (constitutionally protected) to boo the efforts to reinsert God into their platform, they need to be reminded that people of faith are fed up with the Neo-Liberal leftist lurch of the party and will cast our votes for people who RESPECT and SUPPORT our Constitution and our deeply held faith-based beliefs.

I should point out that the national association of black pastors - which supported Obama in 2008 - is now solidly opposed to his reelection.   Likewise, the Catholic hierarchy and laity are finally saying to Catholic politicians that it is not enough to be a C.I.N.O.  to get our vote.  You want our vote than you need to STAND UP in the halls of government and actually vote in a manner that reflects our faith.  If you don't - then don't bother to come around pandering for our contributions or votes.

Long on words... short on facts.  

Freedom of religion, if it is going to apply to everyone, also requires freedom from religion.
You do not truly have the freedom to practice your religious beliefs if you are also required to adhere
to any of the religious beliefs or rules of other religions.
Forcing people to accept some particular idea or adhere to behavioral standards from someone else’s
religion means that their religious freedom is being infringed upon.

Freedom from religion is the freedom from the rules and dogmas of other people’s religious beliefs
so that we can be free to follow the demands of our own conscience, whether they take a religious
form or not. Thus, we have both freedom of religion and freedom from religion because they are
two sides of the same coin.

It’s no coincidence that people who object to the principle of “freedom from religion” are adherents
of religious groups whose doctrines or standards would be the ones enforced by the state.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Nowhere does it say in the U.S. Constitution that there is a Freedom FROM Religion...

Yet they allow you to practice freedom from thinking before typing.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Those who demand that religion be kept out of the discussion of issues would be well advised to actually read the US Constitution.   We not only have the Freedom OF (not FROM) Religion we have the Freedom of Speech.

OK, DV, if we have freedom OF religion, I want you to explain WHY YOU believe that the teachings of the Catholic religion, when it comes to abortion, MUST be FORCED upon those who do NOT have the same beliefs as Catholics have about conception, life, etc.   If people have freedom OF religion, then they DO have a choice to believe something different when it comes to a fertilized egg, isn't that correct?  

Explain WHY a non Catholic should be DENIED the freedom OF THEIR OWN RELIGION to make decisions about abortion based on their own religious beliefs.  

I believe it's life because, as a real man with a real wife, I know what we created, and I know the joys that you never will.   I do not need the Catholic church or any church, temple, mosque, conservative, liberal, dem, rep, atheist, etc, to tell me that Chris and I created a new life and that it was a life before it exited the birth canal (I know you don't know what that is).  

Cluck, cluck, cluck, DV will NOT address the imposed Catholic belief in the midst of his trying to claim we all have freedom OF religion