Quoted from Parent

Why? If you don't believe a fetus is a real life then why would you ban an abortion for any reason? I find it more disturbing that people who are pro-choice would want to ban it...either the fetus is a life and should never be terminated, or it's not and it shouldn't matter how frivolous the reasoning behind the abortion is...to say it's not a life if the mom is young, poor, or inconvienced but it is a life if it's a girl is more effed up than just saying it's a worthless blob and who cares what the reason is.

(and I mean you in that general way, not to anyone specific)

Personally, I believe that it is a human life from the point of conception.  But many nations that otherwise have legalized abortions do FORBID abortion for gender selection -- such as Germany, Great Britain and France.  By remaining on the list of countries that allows gender selection abortion, we keep company with a short list of nations -- China, India, Serbia and Armenia.

Quoted from 2511

The scum-bag a-hole nayboobs who are trying to avoid the issue by hijacking this thread can all go f*** a goat!

A goat???  
HUH.
They do things differently in Rotterdam... A goat???
Is that a female goat???
The Righties on this board don't seem to have a problem with bestiality, as long as there is no homosexual
bestiality involved.  

Quoted from 2511

The scum-bag a-hole nayboobs who are trying to avoid the issue by hijacking this thread can all go f*** a goat!

I happen to have 2 goats.

I keep them on giant mousetraps to catch Ronnie.

I believe the resident goat hurter prefers young rams

Quoted from Box A Rox

A goat???  
HUH.
They do things differently in Rotterdam... A goat???
Is that a female goat???
The Righties on this board don't seem to have a problem with bestiality, as long as there is no homosexual
bestiality involved.  

GFY

Quoted from 2511

GFY

Impossible.  (I've tried)  

No thanks on the goat.  

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Personally, I believe that it is a human life from the point of conception.  But many nations that otherwise have legalized abortions do FORBID abortion for gender selection -- such as Germany, Great Britain and France.  By remaining on the list of countries that allows gender selection abortion, we keep company with a short list of nations -- China, India, Serbia and Armenia.

It just seems very inconsistent to say it's ok the end the life for a handful of reasons, but not this reason. Oh no, this reason makes it immoral, but its not if mom just doesnt want it.  The end result is the same and either abortion is ok, or it's not...I honestly have more respect for the people who are on the extremes on this issue because at least their idea of what is and what is not life, and how to treat that division, is consistent.

I think it's wrong that a parent would view one gender more valuable over another, but I feel that regardless of my position on abortion. I just don't get the whole it's ok to kill it in situation A but not situation B.

Quoted from Parent

It just seems very inconsistent to say it's ok the end the life for a handful of reasons, but not this reason. Oh no, this reason makes it immoral, but its not if mom just doesnt want it.  The end result is the same and either abortion is ok, or it's not...I honestly have more respect for the people who are on the extremes on this issue because at least their idea of what is and what is not life, and how to treat that division, is consistent.

I think it's wrong that a parent would view one gender more valuable over another, but I feel that regardless of my position on abortion. I just don't get the whole it's ok to kill it in situation A but not situation B.

China leads the world in abortions.

Most of them are gender selected. They also kill newborn girls by the truckload. They have found several mass grave sites.

The rest are over the allowable quota for procreation within your family.

Quoted from Parent

It just seems very inconsistent to say it's ok the end the life for a handful of reasons, but not this reason. Oh no, this reason makes it immoral, but its not if mom just doesnt want it.  The end result is the same and either abortion is ok, or it's not...I honestly have more respect for the people who are on the extremes on this issue because at least their idea of what is and what is not life, and how to treat that division, is consistent.

I think it's wrong that a parent would view one gender more valuable over another, but I feel that regardless of my position on abortion. I just don't get the whole it's ok to kill it in situation A but not situation B.

I understand and actually agree with your positio

The reason that HR 3541 is so important is that the Pro-Death Neo-Liberals keep claiming that those of us who are Pro-Life are not reasonable or flexible or willing to find a "middle ground".   Yet when a bill which would at least set a reasonable, flexible, "middle ground" - no abortion for purposes of gender selection-- these Pro-Death Neo-Liberals show THEIR unreasonableness and inflexibility by voting no.  

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

The issue of this thread -- gender selection abortions -- is too important to be sidetracked by frauds (those pretending to be people who don't even participate in this blog) and the scum-bag a-hole nayboobs who create these multiple personalities because they are too ignorant and immature to actually engage in an adult discussion of political issues.

And you will not have an intelligent, adult, rational discussion about how the dems & plex and all those downtown projects are causing massive reductions in the tax base, plummeting home values, drastically reduced essential services to the residents all while jacking the taxes up til long time homeowners cannot afford the taxes so they lose their homes.   And you REFUSE to explain the taxpayers should foot the bill to build more residential units in the city when there are thousands of existing vacant residential units and now there are probably going to be an additional 1,000 (assuming a mix of one and two family homes).   You won't carry on an adult conversation about the political issues negatively affecting the homeowners in the city.  Why not?

You won't even engage in an adult discussion of the county property have actually increased substantially since the 1950's, you keep repeating that they are lower than 50 years ago, but you are not even adult enough to engage in an adult discussion and provide EVIDENCE to support your comment.   Well????   Are you going to engage in adult discussion and explain how you arrive at the conclusion that the county property taxes are lower than 50 years ago???????    No one would hold their breath expecting you to provide an answer to that question

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

The issue of this thread -- gender selection abortions -- is too important to be sidetracked by frauds (those pretending to be people who don't even participate in this blog) and the scum-bag a-hole nayboobs who create these multiple personalities because they are too ignorant and immature to actually engage in an adult discussion of political issues.

Multiple personalities - you are talking about yourself


Anyway, adult discussion of political issues.  While I oppose abortion, tell us DV, do you believe that the beliefs of the Roman Catholic church must be forced upon all Americans regardless of their personal religious belief or lack of?

Quoted from Parent

Why? If you don't believe a fetus is a real life then why would you ban an abortion for any reason? I find it more disturbing that people who are pro-choice would want to ban it...either the fetus is a life and should never be terminated, or it's not and it shouldn't matter how frivolous the reasoning behind the abortion is...to say it's not a life if the mom is young, poor, or inconvienced but it is a life if it's a girl is more effed up than just saying it's a worthless blob and who cares what the reason is.

(and I mean you in that general way, not to anyone specific)

I agree! Pro-deathers could give a rat's a$$ if it is a boy, girl, twins, triplets or whatever........they just want to have the legal right to kill it at a moment's notice. So gender driven abortions is a moot point to the pro-deathers!

Quoted from bumblethru

I agree! Pro-deathers could give a rat's a$$ if it is a boy, girl, twins, triplets or whatever........they just want to have the legal right to kill it at a moment's notice. So gender driven abortions is a moot point to the pro-deathers!

Abortionists are a small minority of the world's population.

Tolerance and allowing others to procreate and manage their own reproductive issues is a majority.

Except in China, where they determine your reproductive choices.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Abortionists are a small minority of the world's population.

Tolerance and allowing others to procreate and manage their own reproductive issues is a majority

What is the difference between a 25 week fetus of a botched abortion lying on a stainless steel table dying and a 25 week old fetus born prematurely in an incubator in the ICU getting treated to save its life?  Which one is reproductive rights of the mother, which one is a human life protected from murder?

Quoted from CICERO

What is the difference between a 25 week fetus of a botched abortion lying on a stainless steel table dying and a 25 week old fetus born prematurely in an incubator in the ICU getting treated to save its life?  Which one is reproductive rights of the mother, which one is a human life protected from murder?

I don't see any difference.

If an abortion somehow produces a living entity, physicians should be following their oath to do no harm.

Regardless of the law.

Will they be charged with illegally saving a living child from execution?

I really doubt it.

Personally, I think that half of all abortions could be prevented by allowing the pregnant woman/girl to sell the unwanted child.

It could save the child from abortion and perhaps improve the life of the person aborting due to financial duress.

I realize it sounds heartless, but abortion is pretty heartless.

There are tens of thousands of people that would love to adopt a child scheduled for abortion.

Government regulation and prohibition disallows it.