Quoted from Tommy

Can you imagine what it would be like if Social Security were privatised, and invested in the stock market the way the republicans wanted?

Imagine what it would be like if you kept 6% of your lifetime earnings to do with what you want?  I don't want republicans telling me where to spend my money either.  

Quoted from CICERO

Imagine what it would be like if you kept 6% of your lifetime earnings to do with what you want?  I don't want republicans telling me where to spend my money either.  

Letting people keep their 6% would be fine, except many wouldn't invest it, they would simply spend it and demand public assistance.

Plus bad investments would result in no retirement, resulting again, in public assistance.

The debt doesn't really matter if it's 16 trillion or a quadrillion.

The problem remains that spending cannot continue to be higher than revenues.

Revenues must be grown.

Personal taxes and Social security tax money outweighs what the government pays out for social programs each year by 25%.

The problem is that the government can't function on what they get from corporations, the 25% leftover from personal and Social Security taxes and road taxes.

Each year they take more and more from the personal tax money paid in and use it for other spending.

The nearly 1 billion dollar bailout created no jobs and didn't increase revenues.

The corporations spent it all making sure to not show a profit, thereby avoiding taxation.

Corporations handle 90 percent of all money, yet pay next to nothing in taxes.

Taxes should be paid on sales, not profit.

That would make them equals to regular working people instead of politician buying Gods.

Quoted from CICERO

Imagine what it would be like if you kept 6% of your lifetime earnings to do with what you want?  I don't want republicans telling me where to spend my money either.  

What I meant was, the money would be gone. Period. No debates as to how it should be spent.
Yet (gullible) people insist that we should those same people back in power.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Letting people keep their 6% would be fine, except many wouldn't invest it, they would simply spend it and demand public assistance.

They shouldn't invest it into the stock market...They should save it.  

BTW..."They" simply spend it now and demand public assistance...

Quoted from Tommy

What I meant was, the money would be gone. Period. No debates as to how it should be spent.
Yet (gullible) people insist that we should those same people back in power.

It's gone NOW.  The $4 Trillion lost in housing crash and the trillions lost in stock and bond value.  Public and private pensions are underfunded, and 401K's still haven't recovered - and they won't.  It doesn't matter where you are drawing your money from; it will be worth MUCH less than the money you originally "invested".   You can't hide your money from being devalued.

Social Security was never "there" to begin with - it was "promised".  So if your SS statement says you are going to get $2000 per month, It doesn't say what the purchasing power will be when you collect it.  What is that worth when gas is $8 per gallon and milk is $7 per gallon?  Whether you lose 50% of your private retirement investment value in one week or your social security check buys 50% less, it is all the same.  Massive centrally planned impoverishment.

I agree, anybody that believes either party inside the oligarchy should be put back in power is gullible.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Letting people keep their 6% would be fine, except many wouldn't invest it, they would simply spend it and demand public assistance.

Plus bad investments would result in no retirement, resulting again, in public assistance.

The debt doesn't really matter if it's 16 trillion or a quadrillion.

The problem remains that spending cannot continue to be higher than revenues.

Revenues must be grown.

Personal taxes and Social security tax money outweighs what the government pays out for social programs each year by 25%.

The problem is that the government can't function on what they get from corporations, the 25% leftover from personal and Social Security taxes and road taxes.

Each year they take more and more from the personal tax money paid in and use it for other spending.

The nearly 1 billion dollar bailout created no jobs and didn't increase revenues.

The corporations spent it all making sure to not show a profit, thereby avoiding taxation.

Corporations handle 90 percent of all money, yet pay next to nothing in taxes.

Taxes should be paid on sales, not profit.

That would make them equals to regular working people instead of politician buying Gods.

You're about as libertarian as Karl Marx.
If you ever attended a libertarian party meeting and espoused your beliefs, you'd be laughed out of it.

maybe some of the welfare stealers are female with kids from different fathers ....and these men are drug dealers and living with them illegally.....

so with free money and drug deals they are able to afford new cars, best of meat cuts.....I often wonder how they get away with this....there is not

one honest person who oversees this.....if someone gets caught most likely they were turned in anonomously....

so as long as goverment is corrupt so will everything else be included....

the depression era folks at least had the industrial revolution to pull them out of their slump. There were jobs everywhere. The depression era folks saved and saved and saved and did without the frills.

Todays 'recession' era folks have no jobs equating to no means to save...... and yet they feel 'entitled' to spend and spend and spend!

IT'S A MESS!!!

Quoted from bumblethru

the depression era folks at least had the industrial revolution to pull them out of their slump. There were jobs everywhere. The depression era folks saved and saved and saved and did without the frills.

Todays 'recession' era folks have no jobs equating to no means to save...... and yet they feel 'entitled' to spend and spend and spend!

IT'S A MESS!!!

If there were jobs everywhere, why was there a depression?

Oh, and the "industrial revolution" happened somewhere around the early 1800s.

Quoted from Tommy

If there were jobs everywhere, why was there a depression?

Oh, and the "industrial revolution" happened somewhere around the early 1800s.

I think he meant the industrial buildup supporting Britain, and then the US for WW2.
Whether people want to admit it or not it was that, and not the WPA or any other gov't program that pulled the US out of the great depression.

Quoted from Box A Rox

It boggles the mind to see someone who's used the system be it's biggest critic.  You'd think being "knocked
down" would have taught you something.  
I've been lucky and never used the system, but I know that it was more luck than any skill on my part.

Definition of a Republican:
A Republican who loses his job, loses his home, broke and on welfare...
Gets aid from his local, state and federal government... (Democrat programs)
Public assistance feeds him and his family, houses him and his family... (Democrat programs)
They get him job training... help him find a job, get him started on his way back to success...(Democrat programs)
and he still votes Republican.  

lucky? really? lucky?

in saying that then 2+2=4 is pure luck....so who cares? why bother?

saying they are DEM programs means absolutely nothing....they just play the 'bad cop' in political conversations at times
as do the REPS play 'bad cop' in political conversations at times.....

they aren't gods and they really could care less about you or I personally unless it has a vote attached..because
THEY TOO ARE 1%ERS just like the REPS...

they rub elbows together and keep the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the plebs at a minimum to keep the status quo
for them and theirs....

I don't hate them or dislike them...BUT THEY DON'T KNOW ME...and I'm willing to bet they don't know you either....

unless of course you're some kind of hollywood "look at me feed the poor and help the stupid farmers" person....