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GrahamBonnet
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He is automatically set to take the side of the big government statist point of view and we are never wrong in predicting that! Being someone who was too intellectually lazy to go beyond high school and to further his mind, he is an automaton for those who want centralized power. The Communists in the USSR during the Second World War had millions like him that served as useful political officers and were always ready to pump a bullet into someone's back.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Box has been trained what to think and not how to think.  Nothing but pliable goo between his ears to be formed however his masters choose.  Box loves tyranny as long as it is his tyrant cracking the whip.


We have ALL been trained what to think and not how to think! It's the system. Thinking outside the box (no pun intended) is not allowed.

The liberals hate bush because of what the liberal lame stream media reports.
The reps/cons hate obama because of what the conservative lame stream media reports.

We are ALL pawns in their corrupt system..........and the info we are 'allowed' to receive is ALL hand picked! Been this way forever!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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CICERO
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It's amazing how effective one lonely liberal can be in a room full of paranoid Right Wingers.  

How many posts are about "what Box will think" or What Box will say"...
As if my opinion will match their expectations... it seldom does.


Box's opinions always meet expectations.  Box always defends the actions of the government against the individual.  Box always gives the state wielding power the benefit of the doubt over the powerless individual.  Whether it is the assassination of citizens, the elimination of due process, presidential secret 'kill lists', the continued indefinite detention in gitmo under Obama,  the continuation of the Patriot Act and wireless wiretapping, and all those things that liberals opposed under Bush, they are now apologists for Obama.

I have no problem being predictable in defending the individual against the massive power of the state no matter who's the head of the criminal gang.  I will take the side of the individual nearly every time.  Box on the other hand will always attempt to find justification for the state's violent actions against the individual.  And he has been well trained to defend the state by calling anybody that doesn't accept the "official" line of the state as a conspiracy nut or a anti government extremist.  Since any person that stands up for the individual against the limitless power of the state must be marginalized if not eliminated to preserve the health of the state.  

Honestly box, I appreciate your participation on this message board.  There isn't a better example of how totalitarianism is the natural progression of democracy.  The only way to slow the progression toward complete totalitarianism is to withdraw your consent and not vote.  Otherwise you will empower box and his minions to believe they have the right to force you to live by their arbitrary rules and regulations because they believe they have a mandate granted by a majority vote.

DON'T VOTE 2012

YOUR FREEDOM DEPENDS ON IT  


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This is really funny!
It continues!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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It is funny.  Your posts are academic.  Keep up the good work.


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most folks take the road most traveled and it's usually the one the government points to.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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most folks take the road most traveled and it's usually the one the government points to.....


Let's call it Box Rd.

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Facebook posts land Marine vet in mental ward?

US police reportedly detained a Marine Corps veteran in a mental hospital over Facebook posts, triggering outrage in the online community. Brandon J. Raub claimed the FBI was concerned about his "calling for the arrest of government officials."
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Raub, 26, is now being held in the John Randolph Behavioral Health psychiatric ward. In an online interview with local media, Raub’s mother reported that her son’s hearing is due to take place later on Monday. Raub claimed in a phone interview that he was brought to the ward against his will.

FBI and Secret Service officials said that Raub wasn’t arrested on specific charges, and declined to comment further, local newspaper the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported. Police officials allege they were only tasked with transporting Raub, and had no hand in his being interred in a mental health institution.

Raub was confronted by FBI agents at his home on Thursday and taken away in handcuffs. He was then reportedly questioned over several incendiary Facebook posts he made. "They were concerned about me calling for the arrest of government officials," Raub said.

The Richmond FBI office said they had received a complaint about Raub’s “threatening posts."

The video of the detention emerged on YouTube and immediately went viral, earning 67,000 views in the handful of hours after the footage was posted.

“I talked to a Secret Service gentleman for 20, 30 minutes. I was very cooperative and answered everything honestly. I really love America, and I think that idea that you can be detained and sent somewhere without due process and a lawyer … is crazy,” Raub told local media in a phone interview.

Raub posted Facebook messages that suggested that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks, and signed a petition to re-open the investigation into the terrorist act.

“If you are unaware of the great amount of evil perpetrated by the American Government I suggest you take … your head out of the sand. The day of reckoning is almost at hand,”  he wrote on August 5. He authored a later post saying,“The Revolution is here. And I will lead it.”

A Facebook group supporting Raub has been created, and has over 3,000 members. Raub served in the US Marine Corps from 2005 to 2011, and was a combat engineer Sergeant in Iraq and Afghanistan.


http://rt.com/usa/news/chesterfield-veteran-facebook-arrest-106/


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Due Process Shmu Process.  It's just an inconvenience.  If government officials monitoring our communications think our words require a "mental evaluation", that isn't really being detained it is for our health.  Any words against the government are obviously the words of a mentally sick person.


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Q. Can police question a person without reading them their Miranda rights?

A. Yes. The Miranda warnings must be read only before questioning a person who has been taken into custody.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Q. Can police question a person without reading them their Miranda rights?

A. Yes. The Miranda warnings must be read only before questioning a person who has been taken into custody.


Who cares about Miranda rights? Americans should know not to speak to government agents even without the warning.  The problem is that he is being detained against his will without being charged with a crime or told what he is being detained for.  So far the government agents said it is for words speaking against government on Facebook.  So far it sounds like they are locking up a dissident.


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Who cares about Miranda rights? Americans should know not to speak to government agents even without the warning.  The problem is that he is being detained against his will without being charged with a crime or told what he is being detained for.  So far the government agents said it is for words speaking against government on Facebook.  So far it sounds like they are locking up a dissident.


So what Cicero is saying (as he has many times in the past) "WHO CARES ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW"!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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So what Cicero is saying (as he has many times in the past) "WHO CARES ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW"!


Miranda Rights have nothing to do with Rule of Law.  Miranda Rights weren't instituted until 1966.  You are the reason they were instituted, because your lack of knowledge of the Constitution and Rule of Law, you need to be reminded you don't have to speak to a police officer.


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Quoted from Box A Rox
Q. Can police question a person without reading them their Miranda rights?

A. Yes. The Miranda warnings must be read only before questioning a person who has been taken into custody.


Technically true, however, if the person who is taken into custody decides to be loose-lipped prior to the reading of these rights, nothing that they say can, or should be able to, be able to be used against them in a court of law, hence it makes sense for the detaining authorities to read these rights as soon as possible.


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CHESTERFIELD, VA— The Rutherford Institute has come to the defense of a former Marine, 26-year-old Brandon Raub, who was arrested, detained indefinitely in a psych ward and forced to undergo psychological evaluations based solely on the controversial nature of lines from song lyrics, political messages and virtual card games which he posted to his private Facebook page.

Although the FBI and Chesterfield County police have not charged Brandon Raub, a resident of Chesterfield County, Va., with committing any crime, they arrested Raub on Thursday, August 16, 2012, and transported him to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will due to alleged concerns that his Facebook (FB) posts were controversial and “terrorist in nature.” In a hearing held at the hospital, government officials disregarded Raub’s explanation that the Facebook posts were being interpreted out of context, sentencing him up to 30 days’ further confinement in a VA psych ward. In coming to Raub’s defense, Rutherford Institute attorneys are challenging Raub’s arrest and forcible detention, as well as the government’s overt Facebook surveillance and violation of Raub’s First Amendment rights.

“For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon. This should be a wake-up call to Americans that the police state is here,” said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute. “Brandon Raub is no different from the majority of Americans who use their private Facebook pages to post a variety of content, ranging from song lyrics and political hyperbole to trash talking their neighbors, friends and government leaders.”

Brandon Raub, a former Marine who has served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, was detained by FBI agents and police officers at his home in Chesterfield County based upon the nature of content posted to his Facebook page in recent months. Like many Facebook users, Raub uses his FB page to post songs lyrics and air his political opinions, as well as engage in virtual online games with other users. On Thursday, August 16, police and FBI agents arrived at Raub’s home, asking to speak with him about his Facebook posts. They did not provide Raub with a search warrant. Raub was cooperative and agreed to speak with them.

Without providing any explanation, levying any charges against Raub or reading him his rights, law enforcement officials then handcuffed Raub and transported him first to the police headquarters, then to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will. Outraged onlookers filmed the arrest and posted the footage to YouTube. Law enforcement officials have stated in press reports that Raub was not arrested. However, as attorney John Whitehead points out, if the police have put handcuffs on you and you’re being held against your will, that qualifies as an arrest.

In a hearing before a judge on August 20, government officials again pointed to Raub’s Facebook posts as the sole reason for their concern and for his continued incarceration. Ignoring Raub’s explanations about the fact that the FB posts were being read out of context and his attorney’s First Amendment defense, the judge agreed that Raub should be incarcerated at a VA hospital for up to 30 more days. Rutherford Institute attorneys are working to challenge Raub’s detention and the highly unconstitutional nature of the government’s actions.


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