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Libertarian4life
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Cic is still angry that the SEALS didn't read Osama Bin Laden his rights before they shot him.  


He isn't alone.

Executions before arrest and trial are frowned upon by the other 6.5 billion inhabitants of the world.

Drones commit murder.

It's just box and his US government Gods against 6.5 billion people.

Training the US military how to kill Americans is over the line.

Raub is right.

The next logical progression will be drone attacks on US citizens.



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Are you claiming to be a slave?


Yes, a slave to taxation.  We all are, well except the to 1% and those who can lobby to change the tax law for their favor.  Withdrawing concent by optiing out of voting has minimal consequences on my personal liberty.  I am not violating arbitrary laws by doing so.  Not paying taxes is the same as not your paying protection money to the local crime boss.  You'll be sleepin with the fishes.  

Are there step like family members creating a system for bartering services that can reduce exposure to taxes? Yes, but it is a slow process.


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Are there step like family members creating a system for bartering services that can reduce exposure to taxes? Yes, but it is a slow process.


Even as you type these words, the government seeks new ways to force you to pay for bartered items or services, traded or otherwise gotten without payment.

Only corporations get to receive money, goods or services and not pay taxes.

The government is a slave to corporations.

They could be called your grand-owners.

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In today's environment the government seems to bury the facts from the public, case in point Fast and Furious.


Exactly!! Our founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves right now if they heard that this kind of sh!t was going on!! This will be a well scripted admission by the lame stream media when the 'so called facts' come out.

The government is just pissing off the military even more!!!

And as far as FACTS.....REAL FACTS.....The american people are still trying to sort out the WACO, RUBY RIDGE fiasco blunder FACTS!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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There is a hearing tomorrow (23 August 2012) at the Hopewell Circuit Court in Va. The hearing is at 11:30am. We are asking people to come out and show support. We suggest getting there around 10/10:30am.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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There is a hearing tomorrow (23 August 2012) at the Hopewell Circuit Court in Va. The hearing is at 11:30am. We are asking people to come out and show support. We suggest getting there around 10/10:30am.


Show support for???? For what?   If this Marine is insane... it would be great if your support were to include
good mental health services to help this man.  If the hearing shows that the Marine is likely guilty of a crime
you could support his effort to hire a good defense team to defend him in this trial.
Support for what seems to be my question.  We may learn tomorrow that he has been wrongfully detained,
or we may learn that he is an experienced criminal or terrorist.  Until we know some of the facts of this case
I don't know what you would be supporting.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Until we know some of the facts of this case I don't know what you would be supporting.


Of course you don't.


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The facts so far:

Chesterfield Police’s Col. Thierry Dupuis issued the following statement Monday afternoon after receiving
numerous media inquiries:
~Chesterfield Police assisted federal authorities in their efforts to interview Brandon J. Raub on Thursday,
Aug. 16. After speaking to Raub, officers believed him to be in need of further evaluation

~Chesterfield officers at the scene contacted Chesterfield Mental Health Crisis Intervention.
Crisis workers recommended that police take Raub into custody and bring him in for evaluation.

~Chesterfield police took Raub into custody for evaluation in accordance with Virginia State Code
§ 37.2-808 Emergency custody.

~Raub was placed in handcuffs after he resisted officers’ attempts to take him into custody.

~Raub was evaluated by a Chesterfield mental health official, who determined that he should be
held under a temporary dention order
and transported to John Randolph Medical Center
for additional evaluation
.

~Raub was not arrested and he faces no criminal charges in Chesterfield.
As this is not a criminal matter, Chesterfield police have no further comment.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The facts so far:

Chesterfield Police’s Col. Thierry Dupuis issued the following statement Monday afternoon after receiving
numerous media inquiries:
~Chesterfield Police assisted federal authorities in their efforts to interview Brandon J. Raub on Thursday,
Aug. 16. After speaking to Raub, officers believed him to be in need of further evaluation

~Chesterfield officers at the scene contacted Chesterfield Mental Health Crisis Intervention.
Crisis workers recommended that police take Raub into custody and bring him in for evaluation.

~Chesterfield police took Raub into custody for evaluation in accordance with Virginia State Code
§ 37.2-808 Emergency custody.

~Raub was placed in handcuffs after he resisted officers’ attempts to take him into custody.

~Raub was evaluated by a Chesterfield mental health official, who determined that he should be
held under a temporary dention order
and transported to John Randolph Medical Center
for additional evaluation
.

~Raub was not arrested and he faces no criminal charges in Chesterfield.
As this is not a criminal matter, Chesterfield police have no further comment.


That's why I said of course you don't...You have no problem with detention.  There is a place called Gitmo that has people detained without criminal charges.  I happens all the time now.  We now have citizens assassinated without criminal charges.  You've pretty much argued in defense of government detention and execution.  Whether it was the President secret council determining that a citizens 10,000 miles away was an imminent threat and sentenced to death, or now the state mental health "official" deciding to detain this former marine for 30 days after initially being detained by police, FBI, and Secret Service.  


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Some of the Anti Govt crowd are always spouting about "states rights"... that states should make up
their own laws, not the Federal govt.
Well the STATE of VIRGINIA did just that.

They enacted Virginia State Code § 37.2-808 Emergency custody act.  Now some are backing away from what
they were just crying for... states taking control over their own laws.  
Turns out they are just a bunch of crybabies... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa The US Constitution... this should
be a state law.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa The State of Virginia made a state law and I don't like it.

Either way... The anti govts cry  even when the govt does exactly what they requested.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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So now we know that speaking out against the government may get you locked up for 30 days in a psych ward. Free speach may have just died.
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Some of the Anti Govt crowd are always spouting about "states rights"... that states should make up
their own laws, not the Federal govt.
Well the STATE of VIRGINIA did just that.

They enacted Virginia State Code § 37.2-808 Emergency custody act.  Now some are backing away from what
they were just crying for... states taking control over their own laws.  
Turns out they are just a bunch of crybabies... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa The US Constitution... this should
be a state law.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa The State of Virginia made a state law and I don't like it.

Either way... The anti govts cry  even when the govt does exactly what they requested.


Did you see the FBI, and Secret Service in the video?  Did they just happen to be in the neighborhood?  



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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Did you see the FBI, and Secret Service in the video?  Did they just happen to be in the neighborhood?  


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