Wonder how the policemen/policewomen of the world feel about the armament of Joe/Jane average citizen? A threat to their(policemen/policewomen) safety as well? VISITOR, care to weigh in a thought or two?
TV news item Sunday showed a gun show for women. They were being educated on firearm use. Over 200 women decided to arm themselves. Fight fire(power) with fire(power) so goes the old adage.
LMAO a typical liberal rant based on no facts, I'm sure if you lived back in the 1700's you would call those men at Lexington traitors, funny thing thing is that the British at Lexington were sent to do the same as you wish to do, confiscate and eliminate what is now the 2nd amendment. Militia at that time was not the military, it was not the Contenental army, it was defined as any abled body person, the closest we have today of a well regulated militia would be the National Guard, that still doesn't eliminate "the right of the people" and that is why it was written. As for the reason of the 2nd, it is written, "for the security of a FREE state", this our last resort for the protection of our rights against any form of tyranny be it from a foreign power or God help us tyranny from within.
Which group has a right to overthrow their government? that is the right of the people, I suggest you read the Declaration of Independence you might learn something. We have checks and balances that are in place to protect our liberties right now, although by some chance the checks and balances become useless what do you expect people to do, live under tyranny?
Henry, I already knew your position on what you posted... nothing new there, but what I did want to hear is your response to my post about an an armed Occupy movement taking on the US Government. Or a determined group of Environmentalist who would ambush FBI, State, local police and eventually take on the US Military. You seem to want the ability of certain CITIZEN GROUPS to be armed and you seem to think that these groups have a duty to fight their government if they think their US constitutional rights are threatened.
So once again I ask... would you agree with a militarizing and arming the Occupy movement into a well armed militia... would it be a good thing in your opinion if a militant group of Environmentalists, also well armed and well trained, took on the FBI, ATF, US marshals, state & local police if they felt that their rights are being taken away?
If these groups patrolled the streets in your neighborhood... uniformed and armed, in their armored personnel carriers, would you feel threatened by these groups, or would you welcome their militia?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Again... I CLEARLY DO WANT A WELL ARMED, A WELL REGULATED MILITIA!
It's called the US MILITARY! Your right wing anti govt perversion of the second amendment has no bearing on the actual meaning.
You obviously don't know the definition of militia.
Per dictionary.reference.com
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mi·li·tia /mɪˈlɪʃə/ Show Spelled[mi-lish-uh] Show IPA noun 1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies. 2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers. 3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service. 4. a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.
Definition 1 would be more along the lines of what is currently known as the Reserves, however, we all know that since the invasion of Iraq after 9/11/01, there is no such thing as the Reserves, everyone is active always.
Per wikipedia, which makes it a little more clear...
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The term militia ( /mɨˈlɪʃə/),[1] or irregular army, is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service.
My view of how our military is used today, "Reserves" do not fit the meaning of Militia, as much as it does today's National Guard. Reserves are Federal... National guard, and the Colonial Militia are State.
The definition of Militia:
mi·li·tia 1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies. 2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers. 3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service. 4. a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.
I agree with the dictionary.. but all definitions are not applicable to every use of the word. The word as used, may apply to #1,2 and 3 but not necessarily to #4,etc. (I would use example #4 to define todays Right Wing Extremist "Militia".
Any word (Militia in this case) may be defined by one or more of the listed definitions, but not necessarily inclusive of all of them.
An example. The word "MAN" 1.an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman. 2.a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man. 3.the human individual as representing the species, without reference to sex;
~ but very different meaning than~
4.a human being; person: to give a man a chance; 5.a husband. 6.a male lover or sweetheart. 7.a male follower or subordinate: the king's men. He's the boss's number one man. 8.a male employee or representative, especially of a company or agency: a Secret Service man; 9.a male having qualities considered typical of men or appropriately masculine: Be a man. 10.a male servant. 11.a valet.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So once again I ask... would you agree with a militarizing and arming the Occupy movement into a well armed militia... would it be a good thing in your opinion if a militant group of Environmentalists, also well armed and well trained, took on the FBI, ATF, US marshals, state & local police if they felt that their rights are being taken away?
If these groups patrolled the streets in your neighborhood... uniformed and armed, in their armored personnel carriers, would you feel threatened by these groups, or would you welcome their militia?
I have no problems with militias, as long as their about protecting our constitution and our rights. All citizens are considered militia, only difference is some organize while others, the majority, do not. Now if some group organized, say a extremist occupy movement who wished to attack our rights that are given to us under the constitution then yes I would have a problem with that group. Again we have checks and balances that still work so no I don't want people taking any violent action against our government, if those checks and balances fail to protect our rights then there would be a problem, JFK made a interesting quote I'm sure you know of.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
I have no problems with militias, as long as their about protecting our constitution and our rights. All citizens are considered militia, only difference is some organize while others, the majority, do not. Now if some group organized, say a extremist occupy movement who wished to attack our rights that are given to us under the constitution then yes I would have a problem with that group. Again we have checks and balances that still work so no I don't want people taking any violent action against our government, if those checks and balances fail to protect our rights then there would be a problem, JFK made a interesting quote I'm sure you know of.
THERE YA GO HENRY! We feel the same way. When I see all these Red Neck Right Wing Fat Good Ole Boys... I laugh. When I see them waddling around the woods with weapons and practicing taking out a state trooper car... I fear for America. IMO, they are a very real threat to the safety and stability of our country. They've infiltrated our police, our military, and are growing. The worst part... They are sure that they are in the RIGHT! They think that they are "protecting our constitution and our rights". IMO, they are domestic terrorists.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
THERE YA GO HENRY! We feel the same way. When I see all these Red Neck Right Wing Fat Good Ole Boys... I laugh. When I see them waddling around the woods with weapons and practicing taking out a state trooper car... I fear for America. IMO, they are a very real threat to the safety and stability of our country. They've infiltrated our police, our military, and are growing. The worst part... They are sure that they are in the RIGHT! They think that they are "protecting our constitution and our rights". IMO, they are domestic terrorists.
Well you shouldn't really fear organized militias either, take the Michigan militia for example, they don't just go around playing Rambo in the woods they also help out their communities. More than once they came together and helped out in things like search parties for missing children as well as helping during disaster relief. they hold food drives and toy runs etc. You might find it interesting to know they worked with law enforcement on a couple occassions. Are there bad militias yes, but they can't and should't be lumped into one group as some like to do.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Well you shouldn't really fear organized militias either, take the Michigan militia for example, they don't just go around playing Rambo in the woods they also help out their communities. More than once they came together and helped out in things like search parties for missing children as well as helping during disaster relief. they hold food drives and toy runs etc. You might find it interesting to know they worked with law enforcement on a couple occassions. Are there bad militias yes, but they can't and should't be lumped into one group as some like to do.
Henry... IF I as a private citizen, and one friend, decide that school crossing guards are taking away some imagined US constitutional right... so I arm myself and attack every school crossing guard in sight... I would fit your definition of a Militia.
Because if I decide what is an infringement of my rights... I get to shoot school crossing guards. To me that is just as ridiculous as some red neck TeaBagger shooting cops because he feels that they don't have a right to give him a ticket.
If you think your rights are being infringed... take it to the courts, and secure those RIGHTS for all Americans. Leave shooting cops to the criminals.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
militias work when the separate individuals are happy with their own choices and are willing to join together to fight for their freedom (by their own will) and when agreed upon.......
but America has evolved into a Greece of sorts....
I will pay for my GI joes I will pay for someone else to teach I will pay for someone else to grow my food I will pay for someone else to get my water I will pay for someone else to blah blah blah.....
satiation is dangerous....
the side talk out of politicians mouths are for votes only.....
we have allowed the expansion of government into our personal lives all over safety/insurance/choice control etc....
there is gnashing of teeth....
they have yoked the ox and the a$$
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
militias work when the separate individuals are happy with their own choices and are willing to join together to fight for their freedom (by their own will) and when agreed upon.......
but America has evolved into a Greece of sorts....
I will pay for my GI joes I will pay for someone else to teach I will pay for someone else to grow my food I will pay for someone else to get my water I will pay for someone else to blah blah blah.....
satiation is dangerous....
the side talk out of politicians mouths are for votes only.....
we have allowed the expansion of government into our personal lives all over safety/insurance/choice control etc....
there is gnashing of teeth....
they have yoked the ox and the a$$
If the Pope sh!ts in the woods, does it make a sound, or is the bear Catholic??? (I'm sure Senders will understand)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
we are in a Walmart purchase all the crap you can world...but make sure someone else pays for needs... we are like rats in a cage in this type of system.... language like the underserved the poor the rich the 1% the 99% I don't want to have to worry I don't want to be sad I can't retire I'm not rich etc etc etc....... it strips a human being's soul of self
Rats in a cage very fat rats, with gilded cages full of want but overloaded with possessions
Same old song Just a drop of water in an endless sea All we do Crumbles to the ground, though we refuse to see Dust in the wind All we are is dust in the wind... And who made the wind? George Worst Bush, of course!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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