why do we care what happens to bisco-goers? CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE....
consequence later.....
Really? Why do we care that dozens of young people have had heart attacks, and permanent liver and renal damage? Do you really not see why this is a concern? These are alarming numbers even for the amount of people who were at the event. Someone compared it to the population of a city, but if 12 or more teen-20 somethings came into the Ellis ED in three day span all with ODs under any other circumstances it would cause major alarm. If within three days dozens of people riding the NY subway just dropped and started seizing, there would be outrage and a demand an explanation. Just because these kids are young and part of a culture that is not embraced by all does not mean they are undeserving of the medical communities protection and attention. There is serious concern that these drugs were laced with something really nit good, or that extremely high dosages were being administered without their knowledge. Are these ODs a result of a new drug, a bad combination of drugs, are they due to someone trying to harm others...there are many reasons why we should care about this.
Really? Why do we care that dozens of young people have had heart attacks, and permanent liver and renal damage? Do you really not see why this is a concern? These are alarming numbers even for the amount of people who were at the event. Someone compared it to the population of a city, but if 12 or more teen-20 somethings came into the Ellis ED in three day span all with ODs under any other circumstances it would cause major alarm. If within three days dozens of people riding the NY subway just dropped and started seizing, there would be outrage and a demand an explanation. Just because these kids are young and part of a culture that is not embraced by all does not mean they are undeserving of the medical communities protection and attention. There is serious concern that these drugs were laced with something really nit good, or that extremely high dosages were being administered without their knowledge. Are these ODs a result of a new drug, a bad combination of drugs, are they due to someone trying to harm others...there are many reasons why we should care about this.
What are you talking about? There were not dozens of people having heart attacks at Camp Bisco! If you have proof of this then share it, rather than spreading BS rumors trying to get people to ban other people's fun.
Well I really don't care about the dummies who made the choice to screw up their bodies............it was their choice, I didn't shove the freakin' drugs down their throats, so too freakin' bad........I feel bad for the parents, not the dummies who made a stupid choice...........I'm more concerned about the hysteria and rumors....................sounds to me like the doctor at the hospital was hysterical...........get a grip doc.......but hey just to be on the safe side let's ban young people, loud music, drugs (oh wait we've been trying to do that at the cost of over $3 trillion and it's really working) and the gathering of more than 2 people at any one time..............choice, choice, choice
...100 tickets can mean $10,000 revenue for the town ALONE, and if you're a d-burg taxpayer, that's a lot of money. P...
Bisco might not be a perfect fit for Mariaville, but I'll be damned if it doesn't give that community a giant economic boost. I'm sorry, but when it comes to four or five days of mayhem out of the year and seeing businesses literally making the money they need to get by, I'll take the latter every time and let the 100 or so residents who live peacefully out there for the other 360 days of the year deal with it.
Generally I would agree, however, that concert goer that was driving on the Thruway and was killed, what would you say if she ran into another car (instead of to the guiderail) on the Thruway and killed someone with no connection to the concert.
With all the drugs there, it's obvious the security they hired were not up to dealing with such a concert. And cops, at the rate we get news about our local cops, I wouldn't put it past them to partake, sad to have to say that.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
What are you talking about? There were not dozens of people having heart attacks at Camp Bisco! If you have proof of this then share it, rather than spreading BS rumors trying to get people to ban other people's fun.
What do you think happens to a body during a drug overdose? Why do you think a cardiologist is concerned about the large number of young adults that he saw as a result of this festival. These kids were having MIs--Myocardialinfarctions--that a heart attack. They had elevated troponins, elevated CPKs. And there is a question whether all the drugs they took were by choice. That is why people want this looked into-not to ban anything-to make sure that next time there aren't people being painted with LSD that they thought was just glitter paint, to try to prevent people who just want to some some pot from being squirted in the face by a water gun full of drugs, and to even try to keep the drugs that are being done the drug that it is suppose to be and isn't laced with unknown substance.
When someone is concerned about something and wants it looked into it docent automatically mean they want it banned.
There are good choice and there are bad choices. The truth of the matter is.....IT IS A CHOICE! And it just may be a costly one both financially, medically and emotionally....but non the less.....a choice!!
Sure it's heartbreaking and a drain on society....but it still 'IS'!! Drug use and the sale of it is RAMPANT!!!! It is an epidemic! This just proves that the so called billions of $$$'s that have been thrown at the 'war on drugs' is clearly NOT working. Why? Because it is still a choice and a very very lucrative business!!
And ya don't have to tell me how hard it is or how dangerous drug use is. Friends of ours have a heroin addicted 20+ year old that is now in a rehab center that is costing the parents $50K for a 4 month jaunt....with NO guarantees!!!!!!! A house is mortgaged and a 2nd/3rd job is taken to foot the bill!!! And the kid has a slim chance of not returning to drugs when released!
It is their choice. It is accepting personal responsibility! Drugs have been here forever....and they will be forever. And that isn't including the so called 'legal' drugs that the doctors/pharmacies dole out!!!
Ya can't cure stupid!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Some of the people who ODed were in my opinion not "kids". The first to die was 29, the girl in the car wreck was 26, and the other rollover accident on the Thruway was a mid 20's driver. I have a nephew who experimented with crack when he was in his mid 20's and he is now in his late 40's, been to rehab at least 4 times and he's still using drugs. The drug user has to want to quit or rehab will never work. We should close the border to stop the huge amounts of drugs coming in from Mexico to fuel the thirsty habits of our drug users. As long as there is a huge market for drugs and millions of dollars to be made selling the drugs we will have a very big problem.
Generally I would agree, however, that concert goer that was driving on the Thruway and was killed, what would you say if she ran into another car (instead of to the guiderail) on the Thruway and killed someone with no connection to the concert.
With all the drugs there, it's obvious the security they hired were not up to dealing with such a concert. And cops, at the rate we get news about our local cops, I wouldn't put it past them to partake, sad to have to say that.
Driving is a choice
force = mass * acceleration
The faster you go and the heavier the car the greater the chance of death to yourself and others
Even parts of the Northway near exit 7 - 10 have no center divider
There is risk involved in everyday life - it is how you manage that risk that counts
Bumblethru, I hope your friend's kid winds up on the better side of the statistics, cause you're right, rehab doesn't typically work. I had a college roommate who tried heroin the night before we moved in together. I dealt with it in my house for months...being lied to, stolen from...almost twenty years later and this roommate still can't stay clean for more than a few months-they've lost their spouse, their children have been taken away... I know it's a choice, but I don't think that most really know what it is they are choosing the first time they choose yes...and really, it's only that first time that matters...every-time after that is less about choice and more about need.
Rise in pill abuse forces new look at U.S. drug fight Officials are debating how to better reduce demand for painkillers
By DAMIEN CAVE and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT updated 7/16/2012 11:56:29 PM ET
MEXICO CITY — America’s drug problem is shifting from illicit substances like cocaine to abuse of prescription painkillers, a change that is forcing policy makers to re-examine the long and expensive strategy of trying to stop illegal drugs from entering the United States.
This rethinking extends beyond the United States, where policy makers are debating how to better reduce demand for painkillers. The effects would also be felt here and in Central America: With the drug wars in Mexico inflaming violence, some argue that the money now used for interdiction could be better spent building up the institutions — especially courts and prosecutors’ offices — that would lead to long-term stability in Mexico and elsewhere.
“The policies the United States has had for the last 41 years have become irrelevant,” said Morris Panner, a former counternarcotics prosecutor in New York and at the American Embassy in Colombia, who is now an adviser at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. “The United States was worried about shipments of cocaine and heroin for years, but whether those policies worked or not doesn’t matter because they are now worried about Americans using prescription drugs.”
The same sense that there is a need for a new approach was expressed last week by Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, a former federal prosecutor, who declared the war on drugs “a failure” that imprisons people who really need treatment.
While a major change in policy is not imminent — “It’s all aircraft carriers, none of it moves on a dime,” as one senior Obama administration official put it — the election of a new president in Mexico, Enrique Peña Nieto, is very likely to have an immediate impact on the debate. Mr. Peña Nieto has promised to focus not on drugs but rather on reducing the violent crimes that most affect Mexicans.
Mexico and other countries nearby, especially Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, are withering under a metastasizing threat: violence caused by drug traffickers battling for power, to move drugs, extort businesses, and kidnap and kill for ransom. The American response so far has mostly involved a familiar escalation of force, characterized by the addition of law enforcement and military equipment and personnel to help governments too weak to combat trafficking on their own.
But in Mexico, a focus of American antidrug efforts in recent years, a shift in priorities is already apparent. Since 2010, programs for building the rule of law and stronger communities have become the largest items in the State Department’s antidrug budget, with the bulk of the money assigned to Mexico. That amounts to a reversal from 2008 and 2009, when 70 percent was allocated to border security and heavy equipment like helicopters.
Even some officials with the Drug Enforcement Administration and Justice Department say they now recognize that arresting kingpins and seizing large drug shipments have failed to make Mexico more stable, largely because of corruption and other flaws in the Mexican justice system. Story: 'Prescription tourists' thwart states' crackdown on illegal sale of painkillers
American officials say they are now focused on training Mexican prison guards, prosecutors and judges, while supporting Mexican programs aimed at keeping at-risk youths from joining gangs.
“We see crime as the leading threat in some countries to economic growth and the leading threat to democracy,” said Mark Feierstein, the United States Agency for International Development assistant administrator for Latin American and the Caribbean.
Still, law enforcement remains a major element of the government’s strategy, as the deployment of a commando-style squad of D.E.A. agents in Honduras has demonstrated. And the Obama administration has ruled out drug legalization, despite expanding support for the idea in Latin America, while designating about 60 percent of the federal antidrug budget of roughly $25 billion a year to supply-side efforts, with 40 percent to demand, as the government has for decades.
Eric L. Olson, a security analyst with the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, said the growing debate had, so far, mostly led to confusion. “Some U.S. officials favor building institutions; others think it’s hopeless,” he said.
Other experts are more critical of the Obama administration, pointing to the continued focus on cocaine interdiction, especially in Honduras, where the D.E.A. squad has been involved in a series of recent raids. One left four people dead, including two pregnant women, and in another one, last week, two people who were said to be smugglers were killed.
“It just hasn’t worked,” said Mark L. Schneider, a special adviser on Latin America at the International Crisis Group. “All interdiction and law enforcement did was shift cultivation from Colombia to Peru, and the increase in interdiction in the Caribbean drove trafficking to Mexico, and now with the increase in violence there it has driven trafficking to Central America as the first stop. So it is all virtually unchanged.”
What has changed is Americans’ use of cocaine.
The most recent National Survey on Drug Use and Health found that an estimated 1.5 million people had used cocaine in the previous month, down from 2 million in 2002 and, according to an earlier government survey, 5.8 million in the mid-1980s. (Methamphetamine use has also fallen in recent years, while heroin use was up somewhat, to 239,000 users in 2010 from 213,000 in 2008.)
Some officials argue the cocaine decline shows that supply-side efforts have worked, but experts note that prices in the United States have held mostly steady since the late 1980s, suggesting the prominent role of a decrease in demand. Mark A. R. Kleiman, a professor of public policy at the University of California, Los Angeles, said that in the United States, cocaine had simply run its course among aging addicts. “What you’re recording,” he said, “is the rate at which they are dying or quitting.”
Now the drugs most likely to land Americans in emergency rooms cannot be interdicted. Studies show that prescription painkillers, and stimulants to a lesser extent, are the nation’s biggest drug problem. The same survey that identified 1.5 million cocaine users in 2010 found 7 million users of “psychotherapeutics.” Of the 36,450 overdose deaths in the United States in 2008, 20,044 involved a prescription drug, more than all illicit drugs combined.
And whereas cocaine and heroin have been concentrated in big cities, prescription drug abuse has spread nearly everywhere. “Today there is drug use in every county in Ohio, and the problem is worse in rural areas,” said Mike DeWine, the attorney general of Ohio.
“This is an urgent, urgent issue that needs to be addressed promptly,” said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse. So far, she said, the response from government and the health care industry has been inadequate.
But momentum for a broader change in domestic drug policy — as in foreign policy — appears to be building. D.E.A. officials say they have recently created 37 “tactical diversion squads” focusing on prescription drug investigations, with 26 more to be added over the next few years.
“Unfortunately,” said Representative Mary Bono Mack, a Republican from California who is co-chairwoman of the Congressional Caucus on Prescription Drug Abuse, “it’s because more and more members are hearing from back home in their district that people are dying.”
That is why people want this looked into-not to ban anything-to make sure that next time there aren't people being painted with LSD that they thought was just glitter paint, to try to prevent people who just want to some some pot from being squirted in the face by a water gun full of drugs, and to even try to keep the drugs that are being done the drug that it is suppose to be and isn't laced with unknown substance.
When someone is concerned about something and wants it looked into it docent automatically mean they want it banned.
That's a different concern. It has nothing to do with the music festival, and more to do with people poising other people without their consent. That should be investigated by police if there is evidence that these people were unknowingly poisoned. It wouldn't be an easy investigation, but I hope the difficulty of investigating these crimes doesn't lead to the public knee jerk reaction of just banning the event. That is how it usually progresses.
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