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Green ‘drivel’
The godfather of global warming lowers the boom on climate change hysteria

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By Lorrie Goldstein     ,Toronto Sun

First posted: Saturday, June 23, 2012 06:03 PM EDT
lovelockPic James Lovelock is a world-renowned scientist and environmentalist.

Two months ago, James Lovelock, the godfather of global warming, gave a startling interview to msnbc.com in which he acknowledged he had been unduly “alarmist” about climate change.

The implications were extraordinary.

Lovelock is a world-renowned scientist and environmentalist whose Gaia theory — that the Earth operates as a single, living organism — has had a profound impact on the development of global warming theory.

Unlike many “environmentalists,” who have degrees in political science, Lovelock, until his recent retirement at age 92, was a much-honoured working scientist and academic.

His inventions have been used by NASA, among many other scientific organizations.

Lovelock’s invention of the electron capture detector in 1957 first enabled scientists to measure CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons) and other pollutants in the atmosphere, leading, in many ways, to the birth of the modern environmental movement.

Having observed that global temperatures since the turn of the millennium have not gone up in the way computer-based climate models predicted, Lovelock acknowledged, “the problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago.” Now, Lovelock has given a follow-up interview to the UK’s Guardian newspaper in which he delivers more bombshells sure to anger the global green movement, which for years worshipped his Gaia theory and apocalyptic predictions that billions would die from man-made climate change by the end of this century.

Lovelock still believes anthropogenic global warming is occurring and that mankind must lower its greenhouse gas emissions, but says it’s now clear the doomsday predictions, including his own (and Al Gore’s) were incorrect.
He responds to attacks on his revised views by noting that, unlike many climate scientists who fear a loss of government funding if they admit error, as a freelance scientist, he’s never been afraid to revise his theories in the face of new evidence. Indeed, that’s how science advances.

Among his observations to the Guardian:

(1) A long-time supporter of nuclear power as a way to lower greenhouse gas emissions, which has made him unpopular with environmentalists, Lovelock has now come out in favour of natural gas fracking (which environmentalists also oppose), as a low-polluting alternative to coal.

As Lovelock observes, “Gas is almost a give-away in the U.S. at the moment. They’ve gone for fracking in a big way. This is what makes me very cross with the greens for trying to knock it … Let’s be pragmatic and sensible and get Britain to switch everything to methane. We should be going mad on it.” (Kandeh Yumkella, co-head of a major United Nations program on sustainable energy, made similar arguments last week at a UN environmental conference in Rio de Janeiro, advocating the development of conventional and unconventional natural gas resources as a way to reduce deforestation and save millions of lives in the Third World.)

(2) Lovelock blasted greens for treating global warming like a religion.

“It just so happens that the green religion is now taking over from the Christian religion,” Lovelock observed. “I don’t think people have noticed that, but it’s got all the sort of terms that religions use … The greens use guilt. That just shows how religious greens are. You can’t win people round by saying they are guilty for putting (carbon dioxide) in the air.”
(3) Lovelock mocks the idea modern economies can be powered by wind turbines.
As he puts it, “so-called ‘sustainable development’ … is meaningless drivel … We rushed into renewable energy without any thought. The schemes are largely hopelessly inefficient and unpleasant. I personally can’t stand windmills at any price.”

(4) Finally, about claims “the science is settled” on global warming: “One thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be certain about anything. You never know the truth. You can only approach it and hope to get a bit nearer to it each time. You iterate towards the truth. You don’t know it.” http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel
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Rucker then asked whether it would be wise for Branson to tax his clients, considering that “support for global-warming science is eroding worldwide.” Over one thousand climate scientists dispute the hypothesis that global warming is man-made, Rucker noted, and over 31,000 natural scientists have signed a statement saying there is no convincing evidence that humans are causing catastrophic global warming.          http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/303790/rio20-showdown-richard-branson-david-rothbard#
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This is right on.

Note how he is for fracking.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Quoted from GrahamBonnet
This is right on.

Note how he is for fracking.


It's because Fracing is perfectly safe and we found out we have more than enough natural gas for, at the very least, a few lifetimes.





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GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

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To anyone new to this forum, the admin, Graham B, and Buckstrider are all the same person.
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Quoted from A Better Rotterdam
To anyone new to this forum, the admin, Graham B, and Buckstrider are all the same person.


And some demons are real, and will haunt you well ast 3 AM.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Quoted from A Better Rotterdam
To anyone new to this forum, the admin, Graham B, and Buckstrider are all the same person.


Well, I can't be Admin or I would have banned your sorry a** long ago.





"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
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I'm still waiting for the ice age that was promised in the 70's!!!!!!
Come on now.......first things first!!!! Let's get on with the ice age first.....THEN we will deal with warming!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Quoted from A Better Rotterdam
To anyone new to this forum, the admin, Graham B, and Buckstrider are all the same person.


you better check under your bed....hear the scratching? it's your brain trying to get back on top.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Really!  There's no such thing as "climate change"... REALLY!

Tomorrow's forecast:





The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Atlanta tied its all-time record high of 106 today which was just set on Saturday...
Nothing to see here folks... Really.
Climate Change is a hoax!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I hope it does get warmer because with the new Obamatax I'll need the money I save on heating fuel to pay all the new taxes.
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Just like morons that believe 9-11 was a republican conspiracy there will always be conspiracy morons claiming global warming is a myth, or a huge left wing conspiracy. The evidence to support man made global warming is enormous and comes from 99% sources without bias. Believing propaganda sent out by billionaire energy company's is just sad, but it is designed to muddy the waters for the simple minded and in that it has been successful.
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OF COURSE CLIMATE CHANGE HAPPENS...

IT ALWAYS HAS....

looooooooooooooooooong before us


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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