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IraRotterdam
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Britain 'kills off 130,000 elderly every year'

Treatment on average brings patient to death in 33 hours
Published: 22 hours ago

(DAILYMAIL) — NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.

Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.

He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country.

It is designed to come into force when doctors believe it is impossible for a patient to recover and death is imminent
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betcha you like this news....gather that from other posts...


Patients in Hospice die with dignity.....and that's my experience with Hospice......be thankful hospice exists.....

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What the UK is doing is nothing like what Hospice does. Hospice allows a death without pain and dignity but the UK NHS is killing those who would otherwise live in order to make room in the hospitals for others. One patient was placed on the Liverpool Care Pathway simply because he came into the hospital with Pneumonia.
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get rid of them, they don't reliably vote Labour.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Box would have said they never should have been born




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Box would have said they never should have been born


It has been my experience that local hospice has a very good reputation and provides excellent end of life care.

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It has been my experience that local hospice has a very good reputation and provides excellent end of life care.



I agree, however, I believe the idea behind this story is that those that are in a Hospice setting in Great Britian aren't made to be comfortable in their last days, they are hurried IN their last days TO their last day, or it is DECIDED for them WHICH day will be their last.


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I agree, however, I believe the idea behind this story is that those that are in a Hospice setting in Great Britian aren't made to be comfortable in their last days, they are hurried IN their last days TO their last day, or it is DECIDED for them WHICH day will be their last.


If I end up on hospice, I would like to decide my own last day.  

Plus, I want a natural burial with no autopsy or embalming.

I have picked out my final resting place. They allow you to be simply buried wrapped in a blanket if you like.

The 15ft by 15ft burial plot is $700 and the actual burial is another $700.

Your body must be transported by a funeral director to the site.

Hell, I wouldn't mind climbing in the hole and drinking my last bottle of morphine, be pronounced dead and dump the dirt in.

I really don't think there should be so much involved in death.

http://www.naturalburial.org/

I watched a show on death in Hong Kong and the law allows your cremated remains to be buried for 4 years, then they evict you to make room for the newly cremated. These poor people have a 50,000 person waiting list for their cremated ashes to be buried as a rental for 10 years at a cost of $3,000.

The cemetery waiting list:

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,23391191001_0,00.html
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The 15ft by 15ft burial plot is $700 and the actual burial is another $700.





Good Lord, I hope your box isn't that large.

Just cremate me and scatter it over the ocean.
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I have picked out my final resting place. They allow you to be simply buried wrapped in a blanket if you like.

The 15ft by 15ft burial plot is $700 and the actual burial is another $700.



Did you happen to see the article on "natural burials" that was in the Times Union this morning?  Sounds like what you're describing.

http://www.timesunion.com/default/article/To-lie-down-in-green-pastures-3653992.php


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To lie down in green pastures
Region's first natural burial ground opening in Niskayuna
Times Union  Copyright 2012 Times Union. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
By Brian Nearing
Updated 10:08 a.m., Friday, June 22, 2012



EDITOR'S NOTE: Kateri Tekakwitha was an American Indian who was born in 1656 and died on April 17, 1680. An earlier version of this story incorrectly identified the century in which she lived.

NISKAYUNA — To Kate Downey, a 41-year-old mother of three, the idea of a natural burial seems, well, natural. It not only avoids the environmental impact of a contemporary burial — with its mix of metal, concrete and chemicals from caskets, vaults and embalming — but also seems in keeping with her Catholic faith.

"Christ was laid in a simple burial shroud," said the Niskayuna resident. "It feels like a complete circle on a spiritual level."

And it also reflects the environmental beliefs of someone who used cloth diapers for her children, heats her house with the help of a woodstove, and sells natural makeup products from home.

After getting calls from people like Downey, who want the kind of burial that was used for centuries before the rise of the modern funeral industry, the Albany Roman Catholic Diocese is opening the Capital Region's first natural burial ground.

Located at Most Holy Redeemer Cemetery, off Troy-Schenectady Road in Niskayuna, the new Kateri Meadow Natural Burial Preserve will handle burials where chemical embalming of the deceased is not required.

Only natural cloth burial shrouds, metal-free pine boxes or willow baskets that contain the body will be allowed in the ground, and graves will be kept as a meadow of native wildflowers, marked only by simple granite memorial stones.



Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/business/article/To-lie-down-in-green-pastures-3653992.php#ixzz1yXNWoekf


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Quoted from BuckStrider
Box would have said (fill in the blank)


Funny when the Rabid Right can't find an appropriate leftist post to quote...
they just INVENT ONE!!!




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Good Lord, I hope your box isn't that large.

Just cremate me and scatter it over the ocean.


No box. Just feed me to the worms.



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Did you happen to see the article on "natural burials" that was in the Times Union this morning?  Sounds like what you're describing.



That is about the same as the site I have selected. The cost is approx. the same as well.

Somehow being "buried in Schenectady" doesn't seem all that natural or appealing. Troy Schenectady rd? I don't think so.

The site in Newfield, just south of Ithaca is miles from anything else.

Is it weird for me to feel comfortable having a final destination planned out?


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Just cremate me and scatter it over the ocean.


Without a grave, how can people come and pee on it?

Lol!

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What exactly does 'dying with dignity' mean?


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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