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I guess Franken never heard of the battered women's shelters where they can go with their children and be safe. Just more scare tactics.

Yes he did Shadow... the Republicans have them and the "Violence Against Women Act" planned to be cut.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Enacted in 1994, VAWA has twice been reauthorized by Congress with unanimous Senate support. This year Senate Republicans opposed the bill in the Judiciary Committee because of provisions that extend protections to gays, lesbians, transgendered people, Native Americans and battered immigrant women. They essentially accused Democrats of using the cloak of battered women to force approval on what they see as controversial social issues. “Maybe then they could accuse you of not being supportive of fighting violence against women?” Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) told the New York Times. Mr. Sessions and other Republicans on the committee voted for an alternative version that they characterized as a clean reauthorization without unnecessarily political provisions.
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The VAWA is just another way to take rights away from men.  There's already laws, there shouldn't be additional laws due to plumbing or color or your preference of what you do with your plumbing.  


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What GOP War on Women... I don't see any GOP War On Women!  



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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not passing violence against women act IS NOT A WAR ON WOMEN....

what makes a woman more equal than anyone else that a special UN-EQUALIZING LAW needs to be passed.....

divide on conquer say those in leadership.....dirty dirty podium pucks on their part.....

UNEQUALIZING PODIUM PUCK LAWS

1.hate crime
2.violence against women

really? are we kidding here?

hence my post-script it is becoming a non-thinking paradox


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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not passing violence against women act IS NOT A WAR ON WOMEN....
what makes a woman more equal than anyone else that a special UN-EQUALIZING LAW needs to be passed.....



Women accounted for 85% of the victims of intimate partner violence, men for approximately 15%.  The
violence is NOT Equal.


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then the PUNISHMENT must fit the crime regardless of sex.....stop the

women are from venus and men are from mars crap....EQUAL MEANS EQUAL....

equal opportunity to commit a crime and equal opportunity to serve it's consequence...

women need to 'equal-up' and pack some heat....or meet Lorraine Bobbit


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Women accounted for 85% of the victims of intimate partner violence, men for approximately 15%.  The
violence is NOT Equal.


Except the fact is that most of the violence that is in those types of relationships that goes the other way IS NOT REPORTED, due to the guys being afraid of being laughed at, plus, they don't have the protections of every other class.  


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Deion Sanders' wife accused of assault

McKINNEY, Texas (KWWL) -

Police have arrested Deion Sanders' estranged wife on an assault charge.  The Hall of Fame cornerback claims she broke into his room and attacked him in front of their children.

Pilar Sanders was arrested Monday and booked into the Collin County Jail on a misdemeanor domestic violence charge.

While jail records didn't give details and Prosper police declined to discuss it, Deion Sanders tweeted Monday that his children "just witnessed their mother and a friend jump me in my room."

Deion Sanders filed for divorce in December. His wife's divorce attorney didn't immediately respond to phone calls.

The former Dallas Cowboy is an NFL Network analyst. The couple starred in a 2008 Oxygen network series, "Deion & Pilar: Prime Time Love."
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Deion Sanders cited for assault

Estranged wife arrested for domestic violence
April 25, 2012
Deion Sanders' battle with estranged wife continues.

Deion Sanders, former Dallas Cowboys star, was cited for misdemeanor simple assault on Tuesday after an altercation with his estranged wife, Pilar.

Pilar was arrested on Monday for misdemeanor family violence. Further investigation of the domestic violence claims led to a charge also being field against Deion Sanders, said police in Prosper, TX where the couple lives.

The charge of misdemeanor simple assault, which did not result in an arrest for Deion Sanders, covers any act considered aggressive and carries a fine of up to $500, Prosper police spokesman Celso Martinez told Associated Press. He declined to say what the specific allegations against Deion Sanders were.

On Monday, Deion Sanders tweeted “Pray for me and my kids now! They just witnessed their mother and a friend jump me in my room. She’s going to jail n I’m pressing charges!” He also posted a picture of himself and his sons filling out police reports. The photos were later removed from the site and replaced with a post about joy the next day. “Joy came this morning and we opened the door and let Joy in."

Pilar was charged with misdemeanor assault and held overnight in the Collin County Jail with bond set at $264. She was released Tuesday with orders to stay away from her home for 60 days and was barred from threatening or harassing her husband.

“I understand that I have very little chance at beating a Hall of Fame, two-sport man that everyone seems to love and adore,” Pilar said to reporters outside the jail after her release. “I’m a full-time mom, 100 percent for my children. And I just haven’t been given a fair shake.”

Deion Sanders filed for divorce from Pilar in December after 13 years of marriage. They have continued to live together in their home in the Dallas suburb of Prosper with their three children. Deion Sander’s attorney Rick Robertson said the couple has been living in separate areas of the 10-bedroom, 29,000-square-foot home.

The couple’s tumultuous relationship has been widely publicized. Pilar has accused Deion Sanders of cheating on her with entertainment producer Tracey Edmonds.

Pilar has filed a $200 million defamation lawsuit against her husband and his daughter from a previous marriage, Deiondra, for calling her a “gold diggin’ h*e” on Twitter. She is also suing Deion Sanders' aunt, Laura Jones, alleging the aunt assaulted her in their home while Sanders watched.
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COMPANION ANIMAL WELFARE
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Breed Specific Legislation and Policies
Why Ordinances and Policies That Focus on Specific Breeds Don't Work

UPDATES:
- Friday, April 20:  Malden Mayor Gary Christenson vetoes pit bull ordinance and send suggested language back to city council. Read the Mayor's letter and suggested langauge at http://www.cityofmalden.org.  Read the ordinance in Malden that passed on April 3, 2012 and the votes.
- Plymouth ends BSL (April 2012).  See article here.
- Lowell City Council narrowly passed a pit bull muzzle ordinance. Download the ordinance
- Worcester City Council voted in favor of an ordinance that focuses primarily on pit bulls.  Read more>>
- Updated summary of MA municipalities with breed discriminatory legislation;  download here  (.pdf)

Beyond the Myth is a film about Pit Bulls and those who love and defend these breeds; it reveals the perils of breed specific legislation.  For more information on this documentary, click here.

The MSPCA is opposed to breed-discriminatory ordinances for many reasons.  We are committed to working with municipalities on the important issue of preventing dog bites and believe that doing so can produce an outcome that is both effective and fair.  

A highly praised article from the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association (JAVMA) called “A Community Approach to Dog Bite Prevention” provides important information.  The multidisciplinary Task Force that wrote this report had as its goal to create “a well-planned proactive community approach” to address dog bite concerns.  

We understand the struggle to comprehend and deal with public safety issues and how difficult it can be for legislative bodies to address society problems resulting from individual behavior.  It is important that we examine the issue of dog bites carefully and thoroughly because, as with many issues, prevention is more complicated than simply focusing on one measure -- in this case on one breed of dog.   Examining the animal control laws and their enforcement must happen, because focusing efforts on specific breeds, rather than on dealing with the true cause of these threats to public safety -- pet owner responsibility -- will not work.

We can’t begin to holistically address this problem without going beyond news articles and finding out what is really happening and why.   There can be a tendency for the media to report on “pit bull attacks” and not others.   It has been said “Dog bites man isn’t news, but Pit Bull bites man is.”   Similarly, certain breeds can be over-represented in statistics, as they are more likely to be reported, when bites by other breeds are not.  When the media or legislators list pit bull incidents, they almost all are from off-leash dogs who had been violating the leash law.  This begs the question: if a municipality can't enforce the leash law, how can the breed-specific law be enforced?  Again, this is an issue of pet owner responsibility.

Following is a summary of the main reasons why breed-discriminatory legislation is neither appropriate nor effective:

It is overinclusive.  Breed-discriminatory legislation unfairly brands all dogs of a particular breed, regardless of their behavioral history.

There are problems with enforcement.  If dogs involved in bites are not licensed and not restrained on a leash, the owners are unlikely to comply with breed-specific regulations.

It is underinclusive.  Breed-discriminatory legislation does not impact on dogs of other breeds that may be dangerous.

There are problems with identification.  In American Dog owners Association v. City of Lynn, 404 Mass. 72, 80 (1989), the court found:  “Unlike an ordinance which generally prohibits the keeping of a "vicious dog," enforcement of which involves questions of fact whether the particular dog is vicious or known by its owner to be vicious, or a strict liability restraint or dog bite law, such as G. L. c. 140, § 155, the Lynn Pit Bull ban ordinance depends for enforcement on the subjective understanding of dog officers of the appearance of an ill-defined "breed," leaves dog owners to guess at what conduct or dog "look" is prohibited, and requires "proof" of a dog's "type" which, unless the dog is registered, may be impossible to furnish. Such a law gives unleashed discretion to the dog officers charged with its enforcement, and clearly relies on their subjective speculation whether a dog's physical characteristics”

There are potential legal challenges.  Breed-discriminatory legislation has been challenged (successfully in Massachusetts) on due process and equal protection grounds.  See American Dog owners Association v. City of Lynn, 404 Mass. 72, 80 (1989).

Other breeds of dogs could be trained to be dangerous.   Without targeting the real factors that cause dog bites to occur, people who want a “dangerous” dog are simply going to move on to the next breed of dog.  Or those who keep dogs for fighting or
other illegal purposes would not comply and even worse  -- could result with dogs being kept in a manner that could exacerbate their unpredictability and aggressiveness.

Instead, we believe alternatives should be explored.  Alternatives can include:

Increasing fines for violation of the dangerous dog ordinance;
Mandatory education classes on dog ownership and obedience training if a dog is declared dangerous;
Mandatory sterilization of animals declared dangerous;
Prohibition on owners who have had dangerous dogs banned from the city from owning a dog again (for a certain number of years);
Requiring a dog that has been found running at large over a certain number of times, to comply with ordinance, even if not “dangerous."
In addition, municipalities can explore alternatives outside the ordinance to prevent dog bites. This could include:

Increasing the number of animal control officers;
Increasing the number of licensed dogs;
Initiating a campaign to promote reporting of dogs running at large;
Educating the community about responsible animal ownership and obedience training
Passing a spay/neuter ordinance that will not only combat overpopulation, but will minimize the number of dogs who are bred irresponsibly and indiscriminately and for traits such as aggression;
Increasing the cost of a license for unsterilized animals.
We encourage municipalities to form a task force consisting of a diverse group of interests, backgrounds and expertise to explore substantive, long-term strategies that will reach the goal we all want -- a decrease in the number of dog bites.

As stated in the JAVMA article, “Although this (specific breeds as dangerous) is a common concern, singling out 1 or 2 breeds for control can result in a false sense of accomplishment.  Doing so ignores the true scope of the problem and will not result in a responsible approach to protecting a community’s citizens.”

Join the Animal Action Team
Download our Local Action Kit and Breed Specific Issues and Ordinances packets to work on this issue in your community
Read about Dogs and Insurance
About the MSPCA and Pit Bull Adoption



SO WHAT ARE WE?

HUMANS OR ANIMALS?

I'VE NEVER SEEN THE REFERENCE TO ANIMALS IN THE CONSTITUTION

JUST MANKINDS EQUAL-NESS

WHAT BREED ARE YOU?

no one is allowed to define a 'breed' of person/human/man/woman UNLESS they want votes and they get to divide and conquer.....

they are removing the diversity and setting up barriers themselves.....

wouldn't a crime against a woman fall under the hate crime law?
wouldn't the hate crime fall under the 'act' that was committed and it's resulting punishment/consequence already in place?
wouldn't a crime committed against a child still fall under the same law that a crime was committed against anyone else with resulting punishment/consequence?

I don't understand all the separation and UN-EQUALIZATION AND VICTIMIZATION rhetoric used by our elected.....USED AGAINST US ALL

as for the crimes against the state, I guess the UN-EQUALIZATION SPEAKS FOR ITSELF IN THAT CATEGORY


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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then the PUNISHMENT must fit the crime regardless of sex.....stop the
women are from venus and men are from mars crap....EQUAL MEANS EQUAL....
equal opportunity to commit a crime and equal opportunity to serve it's consequence...
women need to 'equal-up' and pack some heat....or meet Lorraine Bobbit


A well thought out post Senders...
Nothing like adding a little violence and killing to a situation to smooth out the Conservative view of
how things should be handled.  "Shoot em"!  Ah yes!  The 2nd amendment cure for all problems.







The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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A well thought out post Senders...
Nothing like adding a little violence and killing to a situation to smooth out the Conservative view of
how things should be handled.  "Shoot em"!  Ah yes!  The 2nd amendment cure for all problems.







the point WASN'T ABOUT VIOLENCE....it was tic......in other words women don't need legislated chivalry if they train themselves up right...

you of all people (women's rights abortion defender) should have gotten that post

PS....here's a little secret...shhh, don't tell anyone....I'M NOT CONSERVATIVE BY YOUR DEFINITION




...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Funny, Boner cries like a "woman"... you'd think he'd understand their issues.



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