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Isn't a gun buyback program in Schenectady like having a car buyback program at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting?  It's not the car or gun that is the problem, it's the people behind them.


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"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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a gun sitting around in a home where the parents dont teach the respect and proper use of a gun is dangerous....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Guns are great... Unless they are in your dads church and an experienced security guard happens to be in the
next room discussing the safety features of his pistol...

Hannah Kelley, Pastor's Daughter Accidentally Shot At Church, Dies

Investigators have said Moises Zambrana (a security guard) was showing his gun in a small closet to another
church member interested in buying a firearm.

Zambrana reportedly removed the magazine from the Ruger 9mm weapon but did not know that a round was
still in the chamber. The gun went off, firing a bullet through a wall. Kelley was struck in the head.

Need it and not HAVE IT?  No one NEEDED IT!  But she died anyway!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Guns are great... Unless they are in your dads church and an experienced security guard happens to be in the
next room discussing the safety features of his pistol...



Very sad indeed but with guns come responsibility. Just because this man was a security guard doesn't mean nothing, it shows he didn't take responsibility in clearing his weapon. Here is a cop showing kids firearm safety, just because he is a cop doesn't mean he is experienced or responsible as the video clearly shows. If simple rules were followed accidents would be almost non-existent. For one treat a gun as it is always loaded. 2 never point it at anything your not willing to destroy (that includes yourself). 3 know your gun inside and out and always check and then recheck to make sure your gun is unloaded.




"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Just because fast food eateries exist doesn't mean we take responsibility for our diet


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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If simple rules were followed accidents would be almost non-existent.


Henry's entire post depends on one word... "IF"


"IF" people obey traffic rules... but they don't.
"IF" people didn't drink to excess... but they do.
And... "IF"people are safe with guns... but they aren't.


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Henry's entire post depends on one word... "IF"


"IF" people obey traffic rules... but they don't.
"IF" people didn't drink to excess... but they do.
And... "IF"people are safe with guns... but they aren't.


But yet you still blame the gun and not the person, interesting.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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But yet you still blame the gun and not the person, interesting.


I look at pistols like I look at rattle snakes.  Neither are evil, but both are designed to kill.  If I handle rattlers
long enough, or get careless with them, or leave them around for others to handle... Someone will get bit and
often die.  
I have no reason to keep rattlers...  I don't blame either the snake or the gun...
for the damage they do.  
BUT
If someone gets bit, I blame the person who is responsible for the snake.

You can talk all you want about gun safety... but like rattlers, even the most experienced, most careful and
most knowledgeable snake handlers occasionally get bit.  
Same with those who handle handguns.


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You can talk all you want about gun safety... but like rattlers, even the most experienced, most careful and
most knowledgeable snake handlers occasionally get bit.  
Same with those who handle handguns.


A snake is a living thing with a mind of its own, trying to compare that to lifeless chunk of metal isn't going to happen. What happens with a gun falls on the person who is holding it end of story. A snake can strike without warning on it's own, a gun can not.

If you were hammering a nail and missed and struck your finger would you blame the hammer?
If you were changing the channel on your car radio and hit another car would you blame the radio?



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A snake is a living thing with a mind of its own, trying to compare that to lifeless chunk of metal isn't going to happen. What happens with a gun falls on the person who is holding it end of story. A snake can strike without warning on it's own, a gun can not.

If you were hammering a nail and missed and struck your finger would you blame the hammer?
If you were changing the channel on your car radio and hit another car would you blame the radio?


Read my post again Henry... I don't blame the gun...I blame the nut standing behind the gun, or the idiot
who leaves these weapons around where kids can get them.

Hitting your finger with a hammer is a good example... no one does it on purpose... but it happens quite
often. Reasonable people do stupid things.  When it's a hammer you have a broken finger... when it's
a handgun, it's a broken life.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Schenectady and Albany will receive $150,000 each for gun-violence prevention campaigns that are part of
a statewide effort announced Saturday by Gov. Andrew Cuomo.
Schenectady County District Attorney  attended a seminar on the program in Chicago.
He said the city saw homicides due to guns drop by about half and realized about a 30 percent reduction
in repeat gun offenders.


If Schdy can gain similar results the program will be very worth while and cost effective.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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I look at pistols like I look at rattle snakes.  Neither are evil, but both are designed to kill.  If I handle rattlers
long enough, or get careless with them, or leave them around for others to handle... Someone will get bit and
often die.  
I have no reason to keep rattlers...  I don't blame either the snake or the gun...
for the damage they do.  
BUT
If someone gets bit, I blame the person who is responsible for the snake.

You can talk all you want about gun safety... but like rattlers, even the most experienced, most careful and
most knowledgeable snake handlers occasionally get bit.  
Same with those who handle handguns.


same thing about school lunches....even the most experienced parents who pay attention get their grey matter shot to death by the government because the brown bag doesn't measure up....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/seven-vars-2.htm


The Seven Varieties of Gun Control Advocate


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By Gus Cotey, Jr.

ELITISTS

Many of those in favor of oppressive firearms legislation are are best classed as elitists. Elitists frequently identify with a peer group based on wealth, power, rank, social status, occupation, education, ethnic group, etc. and perceive themselves and their peers as inherently superior to and more responsible than the "common people", thus more deserving of certain rights. Since elitists practically consider those outside their class or caste as members of another species, that most anti-elitist list of laws, the Bill of Rights is viewed by them as anathema. Naturally, the Second Amendment is their first target as it serves as the supporting structure for the other nine amendments.

AUTHORITARIANS

Another type of individual who favors the restriction of private gun ownership is the authoritarian. Authoritarian personalities are characterized by their belief in unquestioning obedience to an authority figure or group and a disdain for individual freedom of action, expression, and judgement. Those with authoritarian personalities function well in symbiosis with elitists occupying positions of power. Because authoritarians repress their desires for autonomy they harbor a deep resentment toward free and independent thinkers. Of course authoritarians do not want firearms in the hands of the general population as this constitutes a major obstacle to fulfilling their pathological and obsessive desire to control people.


CRIMINALS

It goes without saying that career criminals would like to see the public disarmed for obvious reasons. A well-armed population makes crimes such as assault, robbery, and burglary hazardous for the perpetrator and this is bad for "business." Also, it would seem that even non-violent or "white collar" criminals live in constant fear of retribution from the public that they financially bleed and would therefore prefer that the public be disarmed. Evidence supporting this hypothesis can be gathered by studying the Second Amendment voting records of those legislators who have been convicted of willful misconduct.

THE FEARFUL

Cowards by definition are easily or excessively frightened by things and situations that are recognized as dangerous, difficult, or painful. It therefore stands to reason that the mere thought of guns and the circumstances in which they are employed causes them abnormal amounts of stress. Rather than admit their weakness to themselves or others, some fearful types jump on the anti-gun bandwagon and purport moral superiority to those "barbaric"enough to employ lethal force against armed assailants by claiming various humanitarian and pragmatic motives for allowing evil to remain unchecked. In reality, many of these individuals harbor an envy induced resentment toward anyone with the means, skill, and will to successfully stand up to criminal aggression.

The desire to assert oneself exists in nearly everyone, wimps included, so cowards seek out tame enemies against whom they can ply their pitiful brand of machismo. Instead of the sociopaths who commit acts of wanton aggression with guns, guns themselves and responsible gun owners are the main targets of their attacks. After all, real criminals are dangerous, so cowards prefer doing battle with inanimate objects that do not have a will of their own and decent law-abiding people whose high level of integrity and self discipline prevent them from physically lashing out against mere verbal assailants, however obnoxious they may be.

IDEOLOGICAL CHAMELEONS

Ideological chameleons follow the simple social strategy of avoiding controversy and confrontation by espousing the beliefs of the people in their immediate vicinity or advocating the philosophy of those who scream the loudest in a debate. Quite a few supposedly pro Second Amendment public officials have shown themselves to be ideological chameleons when they supported restrictions on the private possession of military style semiautomatic rifles following recent atrocities in which such firearms were employed. Like their reptilian namesake, people who merely blend in with the ambient philosophical foliage seem to have little insight into the moral and social ramifications of their actions. Political and/or economic gain along with avoidance of confrontation are their only goals.


SECURITY MONOPOLISTS

Security monopolists are those members and representatives of public and private security providing concerns who want the means of self protection out of private hands so that they can command high fees for protecting the citizenry against the rising tide of crime. These profiteers stand to loose a great deal of capital if citizens can efficiently defend themselves. To the security monopolist, each criminal who enters and exits the revolving door of justice is a renewable source of revenue providing jobs for police, social workers, victim counsellors, judges, prison employees, security guards, burglar alarm installers, locksmiths, and others employed by the security monopolies or their satellite organizations. No wonder it is so common for an honest citizen to be more ruthlessly hounded by the authorities when he shoots a criminal in self defense than a criminal who shoots honest citizens.

THE DYSFUNCTIONALLY UNWORLDLY

Just as a limb will weaken and atrophy if not used, so will aspects of the mind fail to develop if nothing in one’s environment exists to challenge them. People who have led excessively sheltered lives tend to have a difficult time understanding certain cause and effect relationships and an even harder time appreciating just how cruel the world can be. These dysfunctionally unworldly types are truly perplexed at the very notion of firearms ownership with regard to defense. To them, tyranny and crime are things that happen in other places far removed from their "civilized" universe. Also, they do not understand the value of private property and why some people would fight for theirs since they never had to work hard to acquire what they possess. While those suffering from dysfunctional unworldliness are most often people who have been born into considerable wealth, this condition is also common in members of the clergy, academicians, practioners of the arts, and others who have spent much of their lives cloistered in a safe and pampering environment. While many of these people may be quite talented and intelligent in some ways, their extreme naivety makes them easy prey for the tyrants who use them for the financial support and favorable advertisement of their regimes. Needless to say, the anti-gun movement is well represented and financed by the dysfunctionally unworldly.




The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, and it behooves all vigilant lovers of liberty to know and be able to recognize the various types of arms prohibitionists and understand their differing but equally dangerous motives. Acquiring knowledge of one’s foes is the first step toward defeating them. We must never forget that a threat to private firearms ownership is a threat to all freedoms.

The inalienable and fundamental right to keep and bear arms which is enumerated by (but actually predates) the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is not about hunting, gun collecting, or target shooting. Its purpose is to insure that every responsible American personally possesses the means to defend the Republic from all forms of tyranny, within and without. It is what permits the other nine Amendments in the Bill of Rights to be more than mere hollow phrases on a piece of paper. Its free exercise is the antithesis of serfdom and the only meaningful form of holocaust insurance known to man.

We must never insult and degrade the spirits of our Founding Fathers by permitting the Second Amendment, the pillar of freedom, to be destroyed by the cold flame of legislative ink.





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OH ya, everyone knows Chicago is doing REAL well with crime control and gang activity lately.
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