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I'm not against U.S. jobs...I just like pointing out the fact that if the President was a Republican and Immelt worked for he Republican administration, AND it was reported GE paid no taxes - left wingers like yourself would be SCREAMING and point out how these 12,000 "jobs created" were on the backs of the middle class taxpayer that ended up paying GE's share in taxes that GE was able to avoid paying because they can afford to pay millions of dollars for an army of tax attorneys.

But...Like a good party lemming, you can carry the water for GE when it benefits your party.  And since Obama needs some PR help in the jobs department, all of GE's sins are forgiven.  

Cicero always seems to get it wrong...

Regardless of who is in the White House... George Worst Bush, Barack Hussein Obama or Mickey Mouse...

(Listen Up Cic)
SCREAMING LOUDLY:

These 12,000 "jobs created" were on the backs of the middle class taxpayer that ended up
paying GE's share in taxes that GE was able to avoid paying because they can afford to pay
millions of dollars for an army of tax attorneys (and lobbyists).

Tax the rich also includes, tax the Rich Corporations!

It's funny how Cic gets on the wrong side of an issue, even when he agrees with it.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Cicero always seems to get it wrong...

Regardless of who is in the White House... George Worst Bush, Barack Hussein Obama or Mickey Mouse...

(Listen Up Cic)
SCREAMING LOUDLY:

These 12,000 "jobs created" were on the backs of the middle class taxpayer that ended up
paying GE's share in taxes that GE was able to avoid paying because they can afford to pay
millions of dollars for an army of tax attorneys (and lobbyists).

Tax the rich also includes, tax the Rich Corporations!

Nah...Didn't get it wrong...You just keep on deflecting to hide your obvious hypocrisy.  You start a thread cheering GE job creation in the U.S., a company that paid no U.S. income taxes and outsources more jobs than they create in the U.S.  General Electric is the epitome of the 1%.   But since GE's 12,000 jobs and 5000 for veterans makes for good Obama campaign PR during an election year, you're willing to set aside your left wing principles of "tax the rich" and the 1%, and sing the praises of General Electric ‘projected’ job creation.  

Quoted from CICERO

Nah...Didn't get it wrong...You just keep on deflecting to hide your obvious hypocrisy.  You start a thread cheering GE job creation in the U.S., a company that paid no U.S. income taxes and outsources more jobs than they create in the U.S.  General Electric is the epitome of the 1%.   But since GE's 12,000 jobs and 5000 for veterans makes for good Obama campaign PR during an election year, you're willing to set aside your left wing principles of "tax the rich" and the 1%, and sing the praises of General Electric ‘projected’ job creation.  

Are you really that dense Cic???
Read the last line of my post:
"Tax the rich also includes, tax the Rich Corporations!"

GE is a symbol of much of what is wrong with this country... the rich (Jack Welch & Jeff Immelt) are screwing
this country both personally and in the corporate boardroom.  
BUT
GE in this area means jobs... at one time 40,000 jobs... now reduced to a shadow of it's former employment with
only a few thousand.

If GE had announced that it was laying off 5000, the Righties on this board would have posted it... just as
they have been every time one bag stuffer job at Price Chopper is eliminated.
With some on this board... there is ONLY bad news... and 5000 new GE jobs (according to Cicero) is not good
news.

Quoted from Box A Rox

With some on this board... there is ONLY bad news... and 5000 new GE jobs (according to Cicero) is not good news.

I never said it was good or bad news.  My post was more to the issue of hypocritical left wingers that support the Occupy Wall St. movement, that begin a thread highlighting General Electric's job creation in the U.S. and their pandering to veterans, and calling it "good news".  As if 12,000 jobs makes up for the MILLIONS in federal subsidies, ZERO paid in income taxes, and TENS OF THOUSANDS of outsourced jobs.  

The pandering to the veterans is what really kills me.  GE makes the turbines that power the war machines our men and women use to kill, while destroying the lives of our men and women physically and psychologically.  

I guess sometimes the devil does do some good.  

Quoted from CICERO

I never said it was good or bad news.  My post was more to the issue of hypocritical left wingers that support the Occupy Wall St. movement, that begin a thread highlighting General Electric's job creation in the U.S. and their pandering to veterans, and calling it "good news".  As if 12,000 jobs makes up for the MILLIONS in federal subsidies, ZERO paid in income taxes, and TENS OF THOUSANDS of outsourced jobs.  

The pandering to the veterans is what really kills me.  GE makes the turbines that power the war machines our men and women use to kill, while destroying the lives of our men and women physically and psychologically.  

I guess sometimes the devil does do some good.  

Cicero goes out of his way to post:  "I never said it was good or bad news."

IMO, GE announcing an additional 5000 jobs is GOOD NEWS. Cic is somehow undecided on
this issue and keeps his opinion a closely guarded secret.

I think that GE and the rest of the 1% avoiding paying their fair share of taxes is BAD NEWS.
Tax the rich also means Tax Rich Corporations who don't pay their fair share.

These are (for me) two separate issues... but Cic seems to have a problem distinguishing one from the other.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Cicero goes out of his way to post:  "I never said it was good or bad news."

IMO, GE announcing an additional 5000 jobs is GOOD NEWS. Cic is somehow undecided on
this issue and keeps his opinion a closely guarded secret.

I think that GE and the rest of the 1% avoiding paying their fair share of taxes is BAD NEWS.
Tax the rich also means Tax Rich Corporations who don't pay their fair share.

These are (for me) two separate issues... but Cic seems to have a problem distinguishing one from the other.

Its simple Box...Would General Electric create 5000 jobs in the U.S. if they didn't receive HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in taxpayer subsidies, if they paid their income taxes, if they didn't profit hundreds of millions because of decades of outsourced jobs?  You can't separate the two.  The money to pay those 5000 employees comes from somewhere.  If you believe in creating jobs by extorting money from the taxpayer through political favor is a good thing, then I guess these 5000 jobs are good news.  Maybe next year GE can get BILLIONS in taxpayer subsidies and avoid paying income taxes AND corporate taxes - then maybe they'll create an additional 5000 jobs.  

Jobs are good, but not good for democracy and the republic when they are through fascist means.  If you don't want  corporate America running America, I suggest you don't cheer when they 'project' token job creation so soon after benefiting at the taxpayers expense in the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.  You can't have it both ways.

The fact is that the lamestreammedia fails to tell it's reader/listeners the 'whole truth'. So what may seem to be 'bad news'....is just the 'unspoken truth' that the lamestreammedia doesn't and refuses to report. It is the lamestreammedia that is controlling the masses.

Quoted from CICERO

Its simple Box...Would General Electric create 5000 jobs in the U.S. if they didn't receive HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in taxpayer subsidies, if they paid their income taxes, if they didn't profit hundreds of millions because of decades of outsourced jobs? You can't separate the two.  The money to pay those 5000 employees comes from somewhere.  If you believe in creating jobs by extorting money from the taxpayer through political favor is a good thing, then I guess these 5000 jobs are good news.  Maybe next year GE can get BILLIONS in taxpayer subsidies and avoid paying income taxes AND corporate taxes - then maybe they'll create an additional 5000 jobs.  

Jobs are good, but not good for democracy and the republic when they are through fascist means.  If you don't want  corporate America running America, I suggest you don't cheer when they 'project' token job creation so soon after benefiting at the taxpayers expense in the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.  You can't have it both ways.

No Cicero, you are wrong.  I can separate the two...

GE could have taken OUR taxpayer dollars and given it to it's shareholders...
or
GE could have taken OUR taxpayer dollars and bought a company in Brazil...
or
GE could have taken OUR taxpayer dollars and invested it in gold...
But they didn't.

But instead, GE took OUR taxpayer dollars and put it to another venture that GE will make millions on, and
probably pay no taxes on  once again...
But
It also created 5000 jobs.   Taking our tax dollars didn't mean they would create jobs... but they did.  
They are two separate issues.

More Bad News for Cicero...

Not only is GE hiring 5000 more employees, but locally...

A high-strength fibers manufacturer is coming to Rotterdam!
TechFibers Inc. will invest $30 million into a manufacturing complex on Mariaville Rd.
Metroplex Development Authority officials announced.
TechFibers will hire more than 30 new employees, after moving operations to Rotterdam from Ohio and
Connecticut.
(But why move here... To Schdy County... The armpit of the universe? )

“We believe that the region’s technology base, both industrial and educational, provide possible business
synergies as well as a population to draw talent from. Further, the upstate New York region is also known
for its papermaking companies and these skills will be very useful when the time comes for us to set up and
run our technical paper line,” said George Quayle, director of James Cropper PLC. James Cropper owns
TechFibers.

Great, so oil companies creating jobs while receiving hundreds of millions in subsidies and tax exemptions is good news as long as they create jobs.  Maybe Obama should lift the drilling moratorium in the Gulf and subsidize US oil companies to create job.  He can hire the CEO of exxon mobile as job czar.  Nothing says let's get corporate America out of Washington like appointing corporate ceo's to work in government while the ceo's company receives favorable treatment by the government.  This is a fascists dream.

Quoted from CICERO

Great, so oil companies creating jobs while receiving hundreds of millions in subsidies and tax exemptions is good news as long as they create jobs. Maybe Obama should lift the drilling moratorium in the Gulf and subsidize US oil companies to create job.  He can hire the CEO of exxon mobile as job czar.  Nothing says let's get corporate America out of Washington like appointing corporate ceo's to work in government while the ceo's company receives favorable treatment by the government.  This is a fascists dream.

Let me try one more time.  Jobs is one issue... Taxes is another.  Sometimes, like when a company is given tax
breaks to create jobs, they are joined... most times they are not.

Let me try an example that's so easy that even a cave man (or Cicero) can understand it.

Your mother in law comes to visit for a month... BAD  
She buys a Lotto Ticket and wins... and is so excited that she dies from a heart attack... POSSIBLY GOOD.  
In her will her entire estate goes to YOU!... POSITIVELY GOOD!!!!!!!!!  

See... the mother in law visiting is not a good thing... winning the lotto may be a good thing... and leaving all her
millions to you is definitly a good thing... but they are all Separate Events.

GE paying no tax... BAD
GE creating new jobs... GOOD
Cicero trying to understanding the difference... HOPELESS!   >

Quoted from Box A Rox

Let me try one more time.  Jobs is one issue... Taxes is another.  Sometimes, like when a company is given tax
breaks to create jobs, they are joined... most times they are not.

Let me try an example that's so easy that even a cave man (or Cicero) can understand it.

Your mother in law comes to visit for a month... BAD  
She buys a Lotto Ticket and wins... and is so excited that she dies from a heart attack... POSSIBLY GOOD.  
In her will her entire estate goes to YOU!... POSITIVELY GOOD!!!!!!!!!  

See... the mother in law visiting is not a good thing... winning the lotto may be a good thing... and leaving all her
millions to you is definitly a good thing... but they are all Separate Events.

GE paying no tax... BAD
GE creating new jobs... GOOD
Cicero trying to understanding the difference... HOPELESS!   >

> > > >

General Electric = Mother In-Law!!!

I think a better analogy would be this;

Your mother in-law bribes your wife to give her your bank account number so she can transfer a percentage of the money you deposit into your bank account into her bank account.  Then, on your kids birthday and Christmas, your mother in-law buys them a few nice presents with that money.  Then the bank calls you to tell you they have notice that money was being transfered out of your account into your mother in-laws.

In Box's opinion, as long as your mother in-law is stealing your money and spending it on your kids, it's ok.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Let me try an example that's so easy that even a cave man (or Cicero) can
understand it.

I was wrong...  
The caveman got it... Cicero didn't!  

Quoted from Box A Rox

I was wrong...  
The caveman got it... Cicero didn't!  

Hey, you like the 1% when they create some jobs...Even if it means by avoiding paying taxes and corporate welfare...I got it...I got it...

I am PROUD that General Electric is the Official Corporation of our great United States!   Huzzah!!!