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IraRotterdam
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•In a special program, George Noory was joined by Linda Moulton Howe to interview four guests, who appeared in individual half-hour segments, about the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2012, which contains controversial provisions such as the holding of suspects without due process or habeas corpus. Jonathan Emord, who practices constitutional and administrative law, believes the NDAA is unconstitutional in that it allows the military to incarcerate individuals indefinitely, without charges or a trial. When this kind of thing happens in secrecy, without judicial check, it's the end of liberty, he commented. Linda noted that the language in the Act doesn't specify whether US citizens might be held under this kind of military authority with their rights suspended.
•Independent journalist David Seaman reported that people across the political spectrum who hear about the NDAA are opposed to it, but because of the lack of the mainstream press coverage most Americans remain unaware of it. At this juncture, Congress has no reason to pass this kind of indefinite detention statute, and it raises the question that some hidden motivation is in play, said Linda. Seaman conjectured that the NDAA may eventually be used against Occupy protestors.
•Producer Tyrel Ventura, the son of Jesse Ventura, suggested that the NDAA isn't really about fighting terrorism but rather it's to control the populace, in the event of rebellion, possibly related to food or water shortages, or other crises. We live in a corporate dictatorship, and many of these companies have connections to the Defense Dept. and it's in their interests to have a lockdown society, he added. Trends analyst Gerald Celente declared that fascism has come to the US. He believes the NDAA has been put into place because there's going to be "economic martial law," and "bank holidays" which will cause rioting in the streets.
•Appearing during the last hour, radio host/filmmaker Alex Jones sounded off on the topic, and related issues. "This is a big wake-up call, and they've been training the military for a long time to arrest citizens and take people to facilities," he said, adding that measures like the NDAA are part of a larger program. For instance, the TSA is now operating checkpoints on highways, and at bus & train stations, and "this is really the seizure by the federal government, and the special interests that have hijacked it, of our entire infrastructure," he said. Jones advised people to stand up against these policies

MY TAKE

•Bratten, X NYPD Comm, LAPD Comm, etc. is out hawking a book on 'cooperation' to fight terrorism.

•The framework for a 'facist-left or right' is in the making.  The communications system were in effect for a long time now the minds of the people have to be adjusted to accept it.

•I can tell that some of you are waking up, the lessening of Democrat/Republican jokes tells me some of you are starting to realize there is no difference.  That is a good sign.  Is it enough, I doubt it.

•Homeland Security & some people want a nation of informers.  I would be the first to call authorities if I suspected someone of 'making bombs' but this is more.  'They' want our thought process - political leanings reported.  One need only observe Homeland hysteria over skin heads, neo-Nazis but turning a blind eye to the 'lefty' occupy types.

•Which is worst, the occasional crazy or terrorist whacking US or a nation under fascist.  I believe the latter is worst.

•A number of decades ago when the Soviet Union was ALive & well I watched a documentary on 'psychic warefare' & the managing of people's thoughts.  The Russian 'scientist' stated it was their goal to have total control.  The simple minded American asked why do you want this.  The answer was "it is the way we are".  There are people wired, predisposed in ways that go against personal liberties.  This is what is rising in America.

•A 'compliant' media that is willing to serve the left or right is Americas biggest enemy - not foreign or domestic terrorist.

•Ira
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When someone can break the door down on my house and search without a warrant it says it all.  We no longer have freedom.

I heard the show and I believe a great deal of what was said.  That show Coast to Coast can many times get wacky but it also many times contains truths.  

Look around us at what has happened just here in Schenectady.  Look at how McCarthy got away with denying the people access to the voting process.  His blatant statements about stopping others because they were the competition and he was in power to do this is frightening and he got away with it.  

Think about how the people in this city just thought oh well nothing we can do about him denying us rights to a fair election process.  My God.  This is only the tip of the ice berg on what he is capable of doing and he is now in total control to do more like it.

Look at the assessment process in the city.  I couldn't believe what they pulled, was it two years ago that people were standing in long lines outside due to the limitations placed on the appeal process.  Real convenient to everyone but the taxpayer and they got away with it.  Corruption to the max and they can do that and we have no recourse because those supposedly protecting our rights are corrupt too.

Look at how the Gazette reports is that not a sign?

In the early 70's I had a chance to meet two of my fathers cousins.  Both born in Lublin Poland.  John stayed there Paul left to live in Toronto.  John was sent to a Pittsburg university to study.  He was a chemist in Poland so you know he had to be in the system there to be trusted and allowed to leave the country.  

During the discussions John exclaimed how nice it was there.  Paul would then counter about no meats in the grocery stores.  About little food to buy at the stores because there was none.  About only allowed one roll of toilet paper when shopping at the store. It was rationed.  John would laugh it off telling us Paul is not right.  Paul just said.  I lived there I lived it. It is so.

The Paul shared how neighbors would squeal on each other to get more food or some other benefit.

I always remember that day.  John invited my brothers and I to come visit him and his family.  Not realizing just how great an opportunity that would have been being I was only 16 I turned him down.  I regret it to this day. My brothers chose to not go too for reasons we never shared with each other.


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Cel.........you are correct! Little by little by little........And yet only 'some' can see the forest through the trees!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Quoted from IraRotterdam


•A number of decades ago when the Soviet Union was ALive & well I watched a documentary on 'psychic warefare' & the managing of people's thoughts.  The Russian 'scientist' stated it was their goal to have total control.  The simple minded American asked why do you want this.  The answer was "it is the way we are".  There are people wired, predisposed in ways that go against personal liberties.  This is what is rising in America.



This started before Russia. Germany was the brain child. And after the war...all the countries scurried to bring the German scientists to their county to finish what they started. Just read THE RISE OF THE THIRD REICH! It is not fiction!!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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ya know Ira you keep listening to that subversive stuff and you may be targeted as a cyberterrorist.

here is a link you may find useful'

https://www.eff.org/


We didnt come this far to get this far.
   random 12 year old


A slave is someone that waits for someone else to free him.
                    Ezra Pound
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He could end up in Gitmo for the rest of his life.
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[color=red][/color][b][/b]GITMO Barack anti-Christ Obama closed it - right - no that is left.
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