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... Put Up Or Shut Up!

~ "Buffett Calls Republicans' Bluff" ~
Warren Buffett tells Time he is ready to call Republicans' tax bluff.
Last fall, Sen. Mitch McConnell said that if Buffett was feeling "guilty" about paying too little in taxes, he should "send in a check."

So, he is willing to take them up on it and has pledged to match one for one all such voluntary contributions made by Republican members of Congress.

Said Buffett: "And, I'll even go three for one for McConnell."  


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In saying that McConnell should "put up or shut up," you'd be saying that McConnell thinks he's not paying enough taxes, when in fact, it was Buffett who said he wasn't paying enough.  McConnell simply gave him an answer.  He can give away as much as he wishes.  Why does he need to be prodded by others to do the same?  


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In saying that McConnell should "put up or shut up," you'd be saying that McConnell thinks he's not paying enough taxes, when in fact, it was Buffett who said he wasn't paying enough.  McConnell simply gave him an answer.  He can give away as much as he wishes.  Why does he need to be prodded by others to do the same?  


Buffet, one of the richest men in the world, stated the fact that he pays less than any one working in his office...
Buffet pays 17%, his office staff pays as much as 30%.

The tax system is slanted in favor of the richest Americans, and puts the working men and women of this
country paying a higher rate... in effect... they are paying their taxes, plus Buffets tax as well.

If you think that this system is fair... then do nothing.  Pay your taxes, plus add some more to make up for the
rich underpaying their tax.

Buffet (and McConnell) are paying less than their fair share and Buffet wants the system changed to reflect
this unfair practice.
This issue isn't about Warren paying more... it's about all Americans paying their fair share.



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http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html

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Gifts to the United States Government
How do I make a contribution to the U.S. government?

Citizens who wish to make a general donation to the U.S. government may send contributions to a specific account called "Gifts to the United States." This account was established in 1843 to accept gifts, such as bequests, from individuals wishing to express their patriotism to the United States. Money deposited into this account is for general use by the federal government and can be available for budget needs. These contributions are considered an unconditional gift to the government. Financial gifts can be made by check or money order payable to the United States Treasury and mailed to the address below.

Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

Any tax-related questions regarding these contributions should be directed to the Internal Revenue Service at (800) 829-1040.


By the way, if you donate to the IRS, ironically, you can use it as a tax deduction the next year.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p526.pdf

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Deductible As Charitable Contributions
Money or property you give to: Federal, state, and local governments, if your contribution is solely for public purposes (for example, a gift to reduce the public debt)


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http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html
By the way, if you donate to the IRS, ironically, you can use it as a tax deduction the next year.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p526.pdf


If Buffets aim was a charity marathon for the IRS, then a donation would be fine.
Buffet, who knows a thing about making money, paying taxes and rich people, is trying to make the system
more fair to the average American.  
Rampage, do you really enjoy paying MORE so that the rich can pay LESS?  
Most Americans don't mind paying their fair share of taxes... but under the present system, the middle class pays
for the poor, because they have no income, and they pay for the rich, who pay the lowest rate in tax.

Go ahead and DONATE if that is your aim, but Buffett and most other Americans would prefer a equitable tax system...
not IRS charity.


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Buffett is a coward... He was challenged to send a check to the Treasury and he responds with "I will if you will"
His "outrage" doesn't mean sh*t.


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Buffett is a coward... He was challenged to send a check to the Treasury and he responds with "I will if you will"
His "outrage" doesn't mean sh*t.


So you really think this issue is about sending a donation to the IRS???


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So you really think this issue is about sending a donation to the IRS???


No, but Buffett opened his big trap about his situation and he was called on how to remedy it...for him.
His chose not to without attaching conditions....


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No, but Buffett opened his big trap about his situation and he was called on how to remedy it...for him.
His chose not to without attaching conditions....


A concerned citizen trying to right a wrong... OK.  YUP.  Time to bust his balls.
Just go on paying for his low tax rate with your dollars.  I'd prefer a fairer tax system.


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For once we agree, I'd love to see a fair tax system where everyone pays their fair share with no loop holes for cronies, lobbyists, or big companies to weasel out of paying what they owe.
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A concerned citizen trying to right a wrong... OK.  YUP.  Time to bust his balls.
Just go on paying for his low tax rate with your dollars.  I'd prefer a fairer tax system.


I'm for a fairer tax system... and I also say Buffett is a fraud. He brought an issue that he sees PERSONALLY.
He was given a solution to it ...PERSONALLY. He failed to act on it. If that's busting his balls, so be it.


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For once we agree, I'd love to see a fair tax system where everyone pays their fair share with no loop holes for cronies, lobbyists, or big companies to weasel out of paying what they owe.


And while they are at it....how 'bout the non-profit ceo's that make  6 figures? For that matter...how 'bout start taxing the non-profits?  How 'bout the welfare recipient who get huge 'refunds' when in fact they don't even pay taxes!! How bout NYS retirees paying taxes on their pensions?

If yer gonna look for folks to pay their fair share.............look everywhere....k?


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This is the issue that Buffet made public... the rest is a diversion.



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This is the issue that Buffet made public... the rest is a diversion.



The entire truth is a Diversion... gotcha


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The entire truth is a Diversion... gotcha


OK... One more case of "The Big Conspiracy" that infests this board.  When it's unexplained... when the obvious
doesn't fit the agenda... when all else fails...
Blame "The Big Conspiracy"!


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