My point here is not weather the cop will be indicted...whether there is excessive force....but how can a LAWYER say "well, the kid was stealing beer, not counting on a head fracture."
How f'en stupid is that?!
People don't COUNT on something bad to happen when they go to a party, drive their car, etc...but during a CRIME! Yeah, it can REALLY hit the fan when you are committing a crime. Bad things usually happen and when they happen, it's usually to an innocent bystander.
There are these times called 'teachable moments' ...yes police brutality does occurr but your most likely going to avoid it if your NOT committing a crime!!
Cicero - you conveniently omitted the fact the mentally person had a knife.
Oh...you are right. The police had multiple officers with guns, bullet proof vests, pepper spray, night sticks, training in non lethal techniques, prior warning of the victims location inside the lobby. And the victim was reported to look vacant, drowsy, was let in for a drink of water and loitered, oh yeah he had a knife in his hand. Now he's a blood thirsty violent criminal that could only be stopped with a hail of bullets. Itwas by the book...the book seems to get more violent in its trained responses against the people they areccharged with "protecting".
My point here is not weather the cop will be indicted...whether there is excessive force....but how can a LAWYER say "well, the kid was stealing beer, not counting on a head fracture."
How f'en stupid is that?!
People don't COUNT on something bad to happen when they go to a party, drive their car, etc...but during a CRIME! Yeah, it can REALLY hit the fan when you are committing a crime. Bad things usually happen and when they happen, it's usually to an innocent bystander.
There are these times called 'teachable moments' ...yes police brutality does occurr but your most likely going to avoid it if your NOT committing a crime!!
I'm not sure how shop lifting beer creates an immediate dangerous situation for bystanders. Hanaford has an lost prevention department and are taught to observe and report. The off duty officer's actions of chasing the kid actually put more people at risk than if he had just called the NPD.
Yes Cicero, I do agree that this cops actions could have put more people in danger BUT the fact remains: during the commision of a robbery LOTS of things can go wrong.
This cop (off duty) wasn't looking for a fight...he was RESPONDING TO A CRIME. Reponding to a fleeing criminal...
In my opinion, with the limited amount of info, I do not believe that this criminal has a valid expectation of not getting injured while committing a crime. Maybe if this kid was sober, he would not have done the crime in the first place.
I guess my equivalent would be is if an off duty police office in an unmarked car ran your car off the road for speeding and caused a severe injury. Rachel's argument would be the act of speeding is just as dangerous as the cop running you off the road.
If I was a drunk driver ...then yes. How many other people would I put in danger if I continued speeding.
This kid was drunk, fleeing from the scene of a crime and yes, I respect the fact that an off duty officer would take the time to catch him. Would this kid have done it again if not caught? A 16 yr old stealing BEER....something which is illegal for him to possess.
If this kid hurt an innocent bystander, where would they be compensated from? NO WHERE!!
He'll have his day in court but I'd hate to send the message that by committing a crime, you can have a HUGE windfall....even when your underage and drunk.
I'm suprised so many people on here are expressing their opinions on this case with no facts at all? Perhaps this guy tackled the teen, who do to his drunkiness fell and hit his head?
And, when did that thing happen at Union College - 10 or more years ago and wasn't that officer forced to resign, albeit for a different incident?
Resigned and probably still pension eligible. There was more than one officer involved. It is systemic. The internal affairs investigator would be drinking at the bar with these same cops. Your not going to change my opinion of things I've witnessed first hand.
Resigned and probably still pension eligible. There was more than one officer involved. It is systemic. The internal affairs investigator would be drinking at the bar with these same cops. Your not going to change my opinion of things I've witnessed first hand.
And maybe this is where our perceptions lie.
Personally, I have been treated very well by the Schenectady Police officers and apparently you've seen the ugly side...that's something I don't know about.
Love to see how pro-active parents are filing a law suit on behalf of their son when they were no where to be found when he was running around drunk and stealing beer with his pals.
Love to see how pro-active parents are filing a law suit on behalf of their son when they were no where to be found when he was running around drunk and stealing beer with his pals.
Really???
I can't judge the police officer that is trained and paid well to show good judgement to "serve and protect" that injured a 16 year old for committing a non violent crime...But, we can judge the teenagers parent bases on the sins of their son.
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