That is a lie. Planned Parenthood gets plenty of taxpayer funding. It may not come from school taxes; there is plenty of federal, state, and local funding.
I love how you use the word "true facts"; it truly does take on a religious meaning for people like you. Planned Parenthood's teaching on sex is the gospel to some.
Adirondack Bob, you're like a Planned Parenthood fundamentalist. There is only one way to sexual salvation, and that is by accepting Planned Parenthood as your lord and savior. AMEN!
cicero, I used to teach for Adults for Literacy. If you would like some free classes, I'd be happy to help you with your reading comprehension issues.
PP gets no money from Shen or anyone else to volunteer their servicesto help teach those sex ed classes. PP getting money from Shen is what we were talking about. True, they do get some federal monies just like many other not for profits.
People don't have to use Planned Parenthood. If women have their own health insurance that can be used for their health needs. PP is really there to help women who can't afford health services. I know right wingers would rather poor women not get access to family planning (including how to get pregnant!!!), contraceptives, pap smears, breast exams, STD tests and information but, thank God there are people who believe , like Richard Nixon (no flaming liberal!) did when he made it a law to give money to PP!, that all women deserve access to health care no matter their financial situation.
Aside from what you think of PP, the issue here was that a religious group complained about some sex ed instructors soley because they were from PP by twisting and lieing about that they did. And then the superintendent fired PP as someone would give in to a bully. THAT is the issue before us, not whether everyone likes PP.
The complaints the Shen parents had were that they did not have ample time to opt out (read page 1 of this thread). Also, PP has been 'suspended' from Shen for a year until further evaluation...maybe like correction of false definitions.
Some people think that abortion is a form of birth contol. Some people think that if you're HIV positive having unprotected sex is a right.
These aren't true, but let's dicusss them because it's E D U C A T I O N ....
Some people also are unaware that 'outercourse' was a term coined for a means of contraception...but then you'd have to think independently and not simply rely upon what the PP Bible tells you.
I know what the complaints of that church group was. And they soon found out that their belief that they could opt their innocent princesses out of sex ed class was incorrect. That's when they switched tactics and started spinning exaggerations and lies about what PP instructors were saying and having their little innocent princesses email the BOE their very same lies.
If there was a problem with notifications, that is an issue to take up with the school to get corrected because I do believe parents should be aware these classes are coming up. PP had nothing to do with notifications. I haven't heard any proof, one way or the other, whether those notifications did or did not go out. I know we got ours every time.
FYI, education often includes discussions on what is not accurate or right. That's how a light is shined on falsehoods and the truth.
Some people think that abortion is a form of birth contol. Some people think that if you're HIV positive having unprotected sex is a right.
These aren't true, but let's dicusss them because it's E D U C A T I O N ....
See, you can get it if you try hard enough. Kudos to you!
By the by, I know you won't like this buuuuuut some people do use abortion as birth control and by law that is their right. Until the law is changed, which will be never, this will continue. Now, maybe if those people had easier access to birth control that reality would decrease, maybe disappear.
Aside from what you think of PP, the issue here was that a religious group complained about some sex ed instructors soley because they were from PP by twisting and lieing about that they did. And then the superintendent fired PP as someone would give in to a bully. THAT is the issue before us, not whether everyone likes PP.
The issue is - do parents have a RIGHT to voice their concerns about the curriculum and the teachings of an outside organization being taught at school? I say yes! And is it the job of the superintendent to take into consideration ALL parental concerns, regardless of religious beliefs? Yes again! You are the one who continues to marginalize the parental concern based on the parent’s religious beliefs. So since you are going to use that as an argument to dismiss parental concerns, I will use MY personal beliefs of Planned Parenthood to dismiss their right to be teaching in public schools. Planned Parenthood should not be able to use the public schools to proselytize to children.
Some people think that abortion is a form of birth contol. Some people think that if you're HIV positive having unprotected sex is a right.
These aren't true, but let's dicusss them because it's E D U C A T I O N ....
See, you can get it if you try hard enough. Kudos to you!
By the by, I know you won't like this buuuuuut some people do use abortion as birth control and by law that is their right. Until the law is changed, which will be never, this will continue. Now, maybe if those people had easier access to birth control that reality would decrease, maybe disappear.
You must be delusional Bob if you believe that PP does this out of the 'kindness of their heart' - they receive $42 million from the federal government AND (after looking up the education law section 804) MORE grants are given to school districts for their healthcare classes.
If you believe that teaching kids 'what others think' is appropriate, then you can sign up with the Nazi Party. They spead country-wide falsehoods ...wasn't that what the kids were hearing?
It's ridiculous. You have a definition which is basterdized in the text. Fix it! Simple. But then again, that would have PP fix a mistake...and for liberals, that's far worse than anything.
You also are making the assumption that kids have heard of 'outercourse' and 'periodic abstinence'...highly doubt that. Therefore you're giving more confusing terms to a very simple word - abstinence. Stick to the last definition!!!
Really, Bob, it's really just that simple.
Fix the PP mistake, kiss and make up and go back to getting your $42 million from the feds.
PP is the arm of the liberal socialist progressive government movement.....plain and simple. The government has been trying to inject their agenda through PP for decades and are paying well, with tax dollars, to accomplish that. The socialist progressive movement is attempting and in some cases succeeding at brainwashing herding the masses. Now they are attempting, through PP, to control the masses reproductive body parts. And as usual they are doing it through the rhetorical fear tactics. The subject content from PP is one issue in itself.....the fact that it is forced upon parent's children is the REAL issue!!
And again.......... PP's FACTOID water boys are carrying their lies and distortions!! This has never been a religious issue for shen. Just 'ax' 'em. That statement is just ridiculous and irresponsible and prejudice in nature. There are many atheists who do not want their children brainwashed by PP and 'the system'!! Are we now going to segregate all issues based gender, political favor, race, age, eye color, hair color, height, wealth, religion? Pathetic!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
I know what the complaints of that church group was. And they soon found out that their belief that they could opt their innocent princesses out of sex ed class was incorrect. That's when they switched tactics and started spinning exaggerations and lies about what PP instructors were saying and having their little innocent princesses email the BOE their very same lies.
If there was a problem with notifications, that is an issue to take up with the school to get corrected because I do believe parents should be aware these classes are coming up. PP had nothing to do with notifications. I haven't heard any proof, one way or the other, whether those notifications did or did not go out. I know we got ours every time.
FYI, education often includes discussions on what is not accurate or right. That's how a light is shined on falsehoods and the truth.
My hope for you Bob is that you start looking at facts versus your steadfast political beliefs. Planned Parenthood isn't always right...at times they may make mistakes. PP needs to teach only one definition of abstinence - no sexual contact. It covers the gay, bisexual and straight communities. One definition. Simple.
If you're so hell bent on using outercourse and periodic methods, but them in the 'means of contraception' chapter..where they belong. You can still have your intirguing dialog.
Not all people agree with PP on 100% of what they do (again Bill Gates won't allow PP to spend his donations on abortion services). This doesn't make anyone 'bad' and I'm sure PP is just as happy to receive the Gates money even if abortion services cannot be funded with it.
Bob, you and Box made this a religious argument from the start. There were parent at the BOE meeting not affiliated with the religious group, but still livid that abstinence has now become a multi-faceted concept. It's not.
PP gets no money from Shen or anyone else to volunteer their servicesto help teach those sex ed classes. PP getting money from Shen is what we were talking about. True, they do get some federal monies just like many other not for profits.
The PP education coordinator receives a salary. When that educator goes to the school, they are not volunteering.
Under education law section 804, schools ARE given grants for their sex ed classes and PP receives $42 million on educational services.
You also are making the assumption that kids have heard of 'outercourse' and 'periodic abstinence'...highly doubt that. Therefore you're giving more confusing terms to a very simple word - abstinence. Stick to the last definition!!!
Because Rachel hasn't heard of the terms... she assumes that our kids haven't... ~ Outercourse- Non-penetrative sex (also known as outercourse, frottage, dry humping and heavy petting) is sexual activity without vaginal, anal, or oral penetration, as opposed to the penetrative aspects of those activities.
~ Periodic abstinence - may refer to: 1. The use of fertility awareness as birth control 2. Following the Roman Catholic Church's teachings on natural family planning
Both definitions from Wikipedia (available to anyone with a computer)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Do you really think that that's "all that has to be done"?
The reality is that kids have heard a lot more than you are willing to give them credit for. It seems to me that it would be much more intelligent to assume they've heard all that's out there instead of none of it.
Well Box, now that you finally found the definitions, you can see that both include sexual activity and that has nothing to do with abstinence which means having NO SEXUAL ACTIVITY.
See. It's not that hard to figure out that these terms have nothing to do with abstinence.
But, being that you and Bob believe that PP can do no wrong, you'll still argue for blatant misconceptions to flourish.
Again, even Bill Gates doesn't agree with all that PP does, yet he does support them.
Do you really think that that's "all that has to be done"?
The reality is that kids have heard a lot more than you are willing to give them credit for. It seems to me that it would be much more intelligent to assume they've heard all that's out there instead of none of it.
Yes, I believe that when an incorrect statment has been made, let's correct it and move on. PP is only suspended for one year at Shen and mainly because of the way they defined the word abstinence.
Again, the terms outercourse and periodic are incorrectly placed within the text. They belong under the heading of 'contraception methods' because they have nothing to do with abstinence.
Abstinence means not engaging in any form of sexual contact...this is an all encompassing definition for the gay, bisexual and straight communities.
Well Box, now that you finally found the definitions, you can see that both include sexual activity and that has nothing to do with abstinence which means having NO SEXUAL ACTIVITY.
See. It's not that hard to figure out that these terms have nothing to do with abstinence.
But, being that you and Bob believe that PP can do no wrong, you'll still argue for blatant misconceptions to flourish.
Again, even Bill Gates doesn't agree with all that PP does, yet he does support them.
Once again Rachel, what you believe about these terms is irrelevant. The course isn't being taught to adults, it's being taught to our teens. Teens pick up information about sex from various sources... some of it accurate, some of it totally false... PP is there with ACCURATE information in terms that teens use today.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The issue is - do parents have a RIGHT to voice their concerns about the curriculum and the teachings of an outside organization being taught at school? I say yes!
My offer for those reading comprehension classes still stands.
PP isn't teaching "their curriculum". They're teaching the state's curriculum. Got that now?
Quoted Text
And is it the job of the superintendent to take into consideration ALL parental concerns, regardless of religious beliefs? Yes again!
This should be the case but, the super only listened to the church group in this case. He NEVER talked to the PP instructors, other students, other parents or held any meetings with the school board or that health committee.
Quoted Text
You are the one who continues to marginalize the parental concern based on the parent’s religious beliefs.
Because religious concerns don't belong in the schools.
Quoted Text
So since you are going to use that as an argument to dismiss parental concerns, I will use MY personal beliefs of Planned Parenthood to dismiss their right to be teaching in public schools. Planned Parenthood should not be able to use the public schools to proselytize to children.
Again, PP teaches the state designed sex ed curriculum with a Shen instructor in the classroom. Is it really that hard to absorb what you read?
The issue is - do parents have a RIGHT to voice their concerns about the curriculum and the teachings of an outside organization being taught at school? I say yes!
My offer for those reading comprehension classes still stands.
PP isn't teaching "their curriculum". They're teaching the state's curriculum. Got that now?
Quoted Text
And is it the job of the superintendent to take into consideration ALL parental concerns, regardless of religious beliefs? Yes again!
This should be the case but, the super only listened to the church group in this case. He NEVER talked to the PP instructors, other students, other parents or held any meetings with the school board or that health committee.
Quoted Text
You are the one who continues to marginalize the parental concern based on the parent’s religious beliefs.
Because religious concerns don't belong in the schools.
Quoted Text
So since you are going to use that as an argument to dismiss parental concerns, I will use MY personal beliefs of Planned Parenthood to dismiss their right to be teaching in public schools. Planned Parenthood should not be able to use the public schools to proselytize to children.
Again, PP teaches the state designed sex ed curriculum with a Shen instructor in the classroom. Is it really that hard to absorb what you read?
Logged
And as usual they are doing it through the rhetorical fear tactics. The subject content from PP is one issue in itself.....the fact that it is forced upon parent's children is the REAL issue!!
That statement is just ridiculous and irresponsible and prejudice in nature. There are many atheists who do not want their children brainwashed by PP and 'the system'!! Are we now going to segregate all issues based gender, political favor, race, age, eye color, hair color, height, wealth, religion? Pathetic!!
